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Surrogacy in India

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by standingfirminChrist, Feb 4, 2008.

  1. standingfirminChrist

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    Hebrews 10:5

    10:5 prepared me. The word “prepared” here (Greek katartizo) is the same word translated “framed” in Hebrews 11:3. That is, God formed the human body of His Son with the same mighty power and wisdom with which He had formed the universe. This can only mean that the body of Jesus, like that of Adam, was a special creation, not formed by the normal process of genetic inheritance.
     
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    You have just said he was created.
    He wasn't.
    He was begotten.
     
  3. standingfirminChrist

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    Scripture declares His body to be framed. That means formed. Not hard to understand... at least for me it isn't.
     
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    It isn't hard because:
    1. You have taken Heb.10:5 out of context. Read verses 4 and 6, the verses before and after. See how they speak of animal sacrifices. One cannot isolate a single verse from that context and make it mean something other than what it is saying in the given context.
    2. The word for "prepared" as demonstrated before is used 13 times in the NT and has a variety of different meanings. The context determines the meaning of the word, not necessarily another passage of unrelated Scripture.
    3. Thus the Scripture doesn't say his body was framed at all. You just think it does because you have pulled one verse out of its context and made it mean something that it doesn't. Read the context.
    4. Christ is begotten not created. To say that Christ is created is a heresy; it takes away both from his deity and from his humanity. He is the Creator (deity). And He is fully, completely human, the Son of Man--from the beginning of life (a fertilized egg) to the end of his human life--his death on the cross. Don't deny one second of his humanity on this earth.
     
  5. standingfirminChrist

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    To say that Christ's body was prepared (framed, formed, fitted) is not heresy. Scripture declares it to be true.

    I have not pulled the verse out of context, much as you want to think I have. Too many other verses declare Him to be begotten of God and not of man. Scripture declares Him to be without mother, without father. If Mary's egg were used, she would be His biological mother and God's Word would be a lie.

    I choose to believe God's Word to be true. Mary's egg could not have been used.
     
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    As I've shown, it does not. We know that Jesus had a mother because He said it with His own mouth:

    Matthew 2:13 "And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

    Matthew 2:20 "saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life."

    Luke 2:33 "And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him."

    John 2:1 " And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:"

    Obviously Jesus had a mother - an earthly mother. He also had His heavenly Father. That is Scripture. It is fact.

    Surrogacy in India proves that an egg must be used to conceive. It cannot be done with just a sperm. Even reproductive cloning must use an egg. All human life comes from an egg.

    Scripture declares that to be the case with Mary... believe it, or not.[/QUOTE]
     
  7. standingfirminChrist

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    so, what you are saying, annsni, is that Hebrews the author of Hebrews lied when it declared that Jesus had no mother or father? Then the inspired Word of God is not to be believed. Amazing!

    If God was able to speak things into existence from the beginning of time, if He was able to make a woman pregnant without the use of male sperm cells, He certainly was able to make her pregnant without female eggs too.

    And that is just what He did!
     
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    Has anyone thought the fact that a woman's egg (seed) is dead without fertilization? That if left alone she will discharge it in blood? Thus never to become a viable life?
    Man if left alone without God must pay for his life with his own blood. Then spend all of eternity with out God the progenitor of life.
    God took that which should be cast out and made it viable. He took what was dead and took it into life.
    At the cross God the Son died so that man who was dead already would become viable for eternal life. God took that dead flesh of His Son and brought it back to life after the third day. He brought Jesus born of Mary back to life. Now we can have eternal life because He has made this flesh viable through Him.

    Acts 2:29&30
    29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    Jesus was God and He came to us just as we came into this world and He left us just as we will leave this world. We too were conceived and we too were born. Our mothers nursed us and we grew into adulthood. We will one day meet our own deaths and be placed into a grave. There our bodies will lie until God calls us forth just as He did for Lazarus. We will then meet Him in the air just as He rose into Heaven.
     
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