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'SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT' THE EVIL FACING AMERICA Part One

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. Gold Dragon

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    poncho, may the Shalom of Christ be with you.

    The government of Australia is probably a world leader on the concepts of sustainability, largely due to the very real awareness of the Australian people on the impacts of human development on God's creation. The primary example being the way the ozone layer thinning (which of course has nothing to do with CFCs :rolleyes: ) has dramatically impacted life in Australia.

    Their Office of Sustainability website is full of excellent information about the concepts and practical applications of the concepts of sustainability.
     
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    While the issue of sustainable development has been hijacked by some on the left, and I am an avowed capitalist, I can see the need for it. Here in the county in which I live, some are trying to build a "hog factory farm", otherwise referred to as a Concentrated Animal Feed Operation (CAFO), with tens of thousands of hogs. Everyplace that this has occurred, there have been major environmental pollution issues, with the effects passed on to taxpayers for cleanup. Of particular alarm to me is that for ag property within a 3-mile radius of these CAFOs, there has been an average drop in value of $115/acre, with up to a 50% drop in value for houses.

    Unfortunately for me, my house and farm is 2-miles from the proposed CAFO location. If history holds up, my property value will sink, and my well water will be unusable (due to groundwater contamination). I will have to truck in water to use, and will have to contend with flies and serious negative equity -- so that a corporate farm can send it's profits out of the county.

    I definitely agree that some models for sustainable development are valid and needed. I am on the front line of this issue.
     
  3. poncho

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    In summary, as I have researched the concept of sustainable development, I feel that it is the environmentally correct phrase, "sustainable development" comprises, the new code words for "Communist Revolution." In a communist revolution, everything changes--society, values, laws, morals and conduct. To say that THEY are the ones who need to conserve the earth's resources for future generations is a sleek, smooth way for transfer of wealth and abolition of personal property rights. Under "sustainable development, " everything we know will change. Those who do not go along with the plan will be seen as detrimental to preserving the earth and therefore, detrimental to preserving its future...they will be enemies of the environment!!!

    The concept of sustainable development is like a prism as it is environmental, as well as social, economic and political. It is forms the foundation for a new way of living and thinking which will be foisted upon the American people at large by those who believe in world government and those who think they are doing the world a favor. Sustainable development is the "final thrust." It is the philosophical divider between those who are green globalists and those who are not. It will be the process for "separating the wheat from the chaff." Without the "problem" of the environment, there is no need to: reduce these population, create biospheres, protect "biodiversity," and change laws in order to make everything "sustainable." In addition, the UN would not have any reason to be since this is now their main mission. What it really does is reduce and eliminate our property rights while increasing those of the United Nations.

    Habitat I, the first UN Conference on Human Settlements in 1976 concluded that "Private land ownership is a principal instrument of accumulating wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice. Public control of land is therefore indispensable. Public ownership of land is justified in favor of the common good, rather than to protect the interests of the already privileged." (Source: David A. Witts, Theft, La Verne University Press, LaVerne, CA 1985, p. 15, quoted by Henry Lamb)

    Communistic Constitution - 1977

    In trying to find where the concept of sustainable development came from, there are numerous sources...it could have come originally from communism--through The Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics of 1977 which provides in Chapter 2, Article 18, the following definition:

    In the interests of the present and future generations, the necessary steps are taken in the USSR to protect and make scientific, rational use of the land and its mineral and water resources, and the plant and animal kingdoms, to preserve the purity of air and water, ensure reproduction of natural wealth, and improve the human environment.

    This is very definitely a description of sustainable development. It could have originated with The World Commission on Environment and Development which was called into being in 1987 by the UN to help shape the future of the 21st Century. This commission was co-chaired by Gro Harlem Brundtland, prime minister of Norway and a member of the Socialist International. Many members, if not most of them, with the exception of the representative from the United States perhaps, were from socialist, Marxist or communist countries--Russia, China, Hungary, Germany, Japan, Nigeria,

    Yugoslavia, Guyana, Algeria, Zimbabwe or the Sudan, to name a few. Their definition of sustainable development is the definition used by the United Nations in all of their materials and documents.

    Sustainable development, as defined by The World Commission on Environment and Development is, "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs...(1) "Needs" as it pertains to the world's poor to which overriding priority should be given (2) the idea of limitations imposed by...technology...on the environment's ability to meet present and future needs." Immediately what is apparent is control of the earth's resources and the consumption thereof and a "transfer of wealth" to those who have greater need that those who have.

    Interestingly enough, Prince Charles from Great Britain commended the Commission in a keynote speech in 1992 in which he said, "There is little doubt that your commission's report, in 1987, was the single most important document of the decade on this subject, bringing the phrase 'sustainable development' into all our vocabularies..."

    Background

    In 1992, the United Nations convened what is referred to as the "Rio Earth Summit" which was a conference devoted to the health and well-being of planet Earth. There were many conventions and treaties signed, which had been evolving since the first conference on the Environment in 1972. These conventions and treaties did more than just "protect Planet Earth." They started in motion, an environmental philosophy geared to change life on Planet Earth as we know it.

    The Environmental movement is not just a "nice little movement" to protect spotted owls and worms, it is a religious movement in which earth is to be worshipped and protected in such a way that "regular" people who don't worship the earth become the victims as they are seen as the perpetrators of pollution and those responsible for the rapid consumption of earth's resources. Instead of being an "enemy of the state," they/we will be "enemies of the environment" which is a global crime, not just a state crime.

    The United Nations, for its own purposes, is leading the advancement of the environmental movement-- that of power and more power and eventually global government. They say that they are the only global body in a position to become the caretaker of the resources of planet earth. However, if one reads their cunning Programme of Action for Habitat II, the upcoming conference in Istanbul, Turkey, one will see that they will also become the taskmaster of the world as they will dole out the resources as they see fit.

    Sustainable Development

    The United States Government aims to please the United Nations. This is seen in a draft guide presented on 9/2/95 entitled, "Community Sustainability: Agendas for Choice-Making and Action--A Local Action 'Roadmap' for our Choices as Concerned Citizens," published by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Community Planning and Development, which was written at the "personal request of Wally N'Dow, Secretary General for Habitat II." This paper suggests "rebalancing" which means "(1) we shift our consumption, extraction and harvesting patterns and technology, (2) we reframe our ethical choices within the new reality that ecology confronts us with" and (3) "is the level at which people can be most helpful" is their communities.

    Their definition of sustainability is "The reshaping of our modern urban-rural industrial society's economics in accordance with the dictates of the natural ecological system of support upon which we and our social and economic systems must depend." But this is not the only definition of "sustainability." There are many interpretations.

    According to J. Ronald Engel, IUCN Ethics Working Group, Ethics of Environment and Development, Global Challenge and International Response, "Sustainable" means, "not only indefinitely prolonged, but nourishing as the earth is nourishing to life and the self-actualizing of persons and communities. ...'sustainable development' may be defined as the kind of human activity that nourishes and perpetuates the fulfillment of the whole community of life on earth. Italics original

    The Habitat II Document is a strategic plan to set up all of the machinery, commissions and policing mechanisms to ensure that the resources of planet earth are not used up and to identify those who are abusing the resources of planet earth.

    Just as Peter the Great took Russia into the 21st Century kicking and screaming, so too are the environmentalists ready to take America and the rest of the world into the Third Millennium.

    Just as the USSR went through the Communist Revolution, and China went through their Cultural Revolution, both revolutions changed life, freedom, ownership and conduct, so today the communist revolution has been recycled for America is what the writer calls the "Environmental Revolution."

    Communities will become war zones--between those pushing the environmental agenda and citizens who either are patriots or who don't understand. Our towns and homes will become war zones based on what a person does or does not do--eat, sleep and produce. You will not be able to live in peace, you will be forced to participate. If you do not, you are a threat to the environment and may be fined accordingly.

    If you do not cooperate in Sustainable Development, then you will be an enemy because if we don't have enough food, it will be your fault and if we don't have enough clean water--it will be your fault.

    In the phrase "Sustainable Development" is the whole communist agenda of redistribution of wealth, collective ownership and loss of private property rights. - A redefinition of citizenship.

    "Sustainable development" describes a MEANS:

    * All sources of production and consumption will be controlled

    * Each person/family will be monitored for how much food, water, energy, materials, gas, clothing, housing and land they use. This will be weighed against how much they produce - Family dependency ratio

    "Sustainable is a control word--because once you determine something is to be designated "sustainable," you then need : NEW LAWS, MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, SUPPORT,

    TRAINING/EDUCATION, CONTROL, TRANSPARENCY, NEW LAWS WHOSE IMPORTANCE TRANSCENDS "THE EXISTING LEGAL FRAMEWORK OF EACH COUNTRY," (145 BIS.)

    Sustainable development impedes on all property rights as the preservation of earth takes precedence over man. Ranchers and farmers in the West are facing grave problems because the EPA can come onto their property and declare that a certain species of animal is found on it and tell them they can no longer farm so many acres of property because they don't want to disturb their "habitat."

    QUESTIONS TO ASK ON 'SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT'

    1. Please define "sustainable development" in working terms for the average person-- exactly what does it mean-- Just how it will our life change from what we know today?

    2. If I understand correctly, everyone will have to produce in order to not deplete the resources of planet earth. Is this why welfare is being overhauled? What provisions are being made for the elderly who will not be able to produce? (production/consumption is a tenant of communism--that is why the old people sweep the streets)

    3. Where does the term "sustainable development" originate? I know that the UN uses the definition which was given by The World Commission on Environment, but where else can it be found? I have seen a description of sustainable development in the 1977 Constitution for the USSR? (Chapter 2, Article 18) international law

    4. There are many global organizations which the US funds who are leading the efforts on sustainable development--such as the United Nations, World Bank, IMF, OECD and others. I am told that what they do--the conferences, treaties, agreements basically end up being codified into international law--environmental, or otherwise. How does international environmental law impact national and state laws of the United States or are those laws being changed to comply with international law? (In the Beijing document, there were numerous references for states to change, alter, amend their civil, penal, civil, family laws to comply with international law.) valuing the earth

    5. A friend of mine, who interviewed Dr. Ismail Serageldin from the World Bank in Istanbul, said that the World Bank and UN wants to value everything in the world such as clean air, the number of trees that a country has, how educated the people are and natural resources--could you comment on what is being set up and how it will affect how we live? In addition, another way he said that the world will be valued is through social capital. If I am correct, didn't Hitler use the concept of social capital? reduction population

    6. The United Nations has held many conferences in the 1990s on development. They say the population of the world has to be reduced because the world won't have enough resources. There was someone in the 1790s by the name of Thomas Malthus who said the world would run out of food and it has not. It appears that we have all the resources we need. How can anyone measure nature and the earth's capacity without actual knowledge and experience, let alone implement a global plan of action. (If they say our scientists tell us we are running out--you can counter with the fact that not all the scientists agree with the environmental findings of the UN--(there were 70 very prominent scientists from the US and 30 from Europe who don't agree with climate warming or ozone depletion which is used as the basis for a number of environmental and they signed the "Lipseig Accord.") control earth resources

    7. If sustainable development is ensuring that there are resources for future generations, then that means someone has to control and monitor the earth's resources. What is set in place currently to do this? family dependency ratio

    8. In the Beijing document it asks for the IMF/World Bank to come up with a way to put a value on "unremunerated work" or work outside of a job in which a person is not paid. This value is to be used in determining the "family dependency ratio" for each household. A friend of mine asked Maurice Strong if this was a way to determine by household whether or not the people who live in that house were adding to the earth's resources or taking away from the earth's resources. He told her it was. Could you comment on the number of ways the earth's resources will be monitored--either by household or by corporate use. authority/ executive orders

    9. The President's Commission on Sustainable Development was implemented by executive order when the Senate refused to ratify the Biodiversity Treaty. All of their recommendations can be set up through the Executive Order. Isn't this bypassing our elected officials? Are you going to get Senate authority for what you are doing?

    10. With what you are recommending here, is it time to through out the Constitution? How does sustainable development and the principles of the Constitution line up or are they different? penalties for not agreeing

    11. Is sustainable development voluntary? Does everyone have to participate? What are the penalties if you chose not to participate? tax on depletion of resources

    12. In Istanbul, there were a number of workshops espousing the theory that in the future, due to shortages of water and energy, people would have to pay for not only the service, such as water, but also pay a tax for the depletion of it. Here in Racine, we pay lets say, $4.00 per thousand cubic foot for water. This means that our cost for water will probably double. The developing countries at the recent Convention of the parties to the Climate Change were told that they would get this money. If I understand correctly, tax is a transfer of wealth but now we are told that our country will not get this tax but that it will go to developing countries. Please explain this as well as how sustainable development can be beneficiary when it is an additional tax, when our country will not recive this tax and when it will increase the cost to live? authority

    13. Since our Congress and House are not voting on these recommendations in the President's Commission on Sustainable Development," by whose authority will all of this be done? transfer of wealth

    14. In Habitat II, a friend of mine was told by and official from UNDP that there are several ways to transfer wealth--trade (GATT), foreign aid and private flows of monies to developing countries. GATT is costing Americans jobs and is producing a lower standard of living. Between 1946 and 1993, the US has given $260B in foreign aid which is a quarter of a trillion dollars. Also Americans have invested hundreds of millions of dollars overseas through mutual funds and now we will be taxed for the depletion of water and energy. What kind of world will we have after the transfer of wealth takes place? Wildlands project

    15. How does the Wildlands Project which looks to return 50% of America back to wilderness, fit into "sustainable development" since it is expected that people will live in human islands and have restricted travel? new environmental taxation

    16. At the recent Convention of the Parties to the Climate Change as well as at Habitat II, the concept of transfer of wealth was discussed. In addition at the Climate Change conference, a number of taxes for consumption of oil/gas and coal were discussed which would translate into penalties for Americans driving too many miles in one year or having a car which has a certain engine. Could you comment on this and help us have a realistic picture of what you are really proposing and whether or not the life we know will continue or if we will become slaves to an environmental god?



    SOURCE

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  4. billwald

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    Bottom line is that arguing this stuff is amusing but nothing is going to change because:

    1. The NEA + the AAPR can swing any election.

    2. The Rs and Ds are owned by the same people.

    3. Americans like to complain but now value security over freedom.

    4. 80% are going to vote either R or D. 70% think they will do OK under the Rs or Ds. Bird in hand . . . .

    5. Half the U.S. economy is under the table (untaxed) and at least half the people like it that way.

    6. Since the breakdown of all social barriers the young people are mating and self-segregating on the basis of intelligence and ambition. The ambitious people marry ambitious people and the trash class breeds with the trash class (mostly outside of marriage).

    7. The govt school system is designed to produce ignorant people who think they are educated while the teachers are sending their kids to private schools so they will be in the leader class - see #6.

    8. The middle class is being destroyed but the working people are to stupid to realize it because the nature of poverty in the civilized countries changed. The poor people have all the same sorts of consumer goods that the rich people have but of a lesser quality and the poor people have to stand in line to get them.
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  5. poncho

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    I can't argue with all that billwald. But as far as the underground economy goes, that will be solved with the implantable RFID chips that they are advertizing as fun toys and security devices today. I figure after they have collapsed the currencies into three major currencies then those will be collapsed and there will be one global currency. We've been heavily conditioned to use plastic money instead of cash. The message is cash bad, plastic good. Conditioning us for a cashless control grid. Hey it's cool to just swipe your card we'll give you a big discount if you do.

    Another thing I'm glad to report is that alot of people are indeed waking up, and the more they crack down with their police state measures and corruptive practices even more will wake up.

    The PTB are struggling to keep a lid on it all as we speak. This could be good or bad for us. They could pop a nuke in a major city and blame the dead Bin Laden or Iran or someone else and the people would all being crying to their federal gods to save them from the evil terrorists. I pray this doesn't happen but who knows? It's not like history isn't full of leaders and rulers using terror to frighten their populations into subservience to their plans.

    I see tons and tons of this type of conditioning everyday in the papers on the tv and Hollywood movies. Look how they ramp it up and spew it out day and night 24/7. Setting us up for the moment they do blow something else up or release a toxin or virus. We'll automatically think it was Muslims no matter how much evidence points to the globalists carrying it out.

    I mean look around there is so much evidence out in the open pointing to the globalists pulling off all the major terror attacks now it's mind boggling. Yet nobody pays any attention we've all been conditioned to think it's the Muslims doing it all. It's crazy. I do feel like I'm living in the twilight zone and there is no shortage of people that are willing to tell me that I am.

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  6. LadyEagle

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    billwald, I believe you are more of a cynic than I. ;) :D

    saturneptune, thank you for your kind words. [​IMG]

    And poncho, I am nearly 100% convinced. Especially since I looked up those links about the present & two former administrations and Sustainable Development, and their official position. This also explains everything that doesn't gel, everything that makes no common sense to me. Like:

    Our wide open borders since 09/11.
    Only 5% of incoming cargo being inspected at our ports.
    The Bush approval of the UAE company taking over our port security and the meetings that were held about it being conducted in secrecy and in a hurry, to boot.
    The FBI whisking away the bin Laden family right after 09/11 when the airlines were grounded.
    NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA.
    China having most favored nation status, now Permanent Trade Status, and the hugest trade deficit.
    The failure of FEMA and state & local governments to respond adequately to Katrina while our military was on the scene within 24-48 hours after the tsunami on the other side of the world.
    Why abortion will never be outlawed in America.
    Why Bush reinstituted funding the UN program that Ronald Reagan stopped funding years ago (can't remember the name of it).

    And others...And so much more.

    The only thing I think they really didn't count on is the Islamic hatred towards America. Bush et al have been doing business with the Saudi Royal family for years. I believe they see the Islamic world through the rose-colored glasses of ambition and wealth, and, like BC, really didn't see al Qaeda or Islamic fundamentalism as a threat to their plans. The article Ken posted from Ron Paul's speech in the other thread about our monetary system and the oil propping it up in exchange for US promise of protection of the Middle East oil producers sure makes sense, too.

    Please explain, if you would, dear poncho, how you see the oil/US monetary system and US promise of protection of the ME all connected.
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    PS: Have you heard about the "fake" rapture?

    This is the part I disagree with you on. The Islamic world really does hate us.
     
  8. poncho

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    LadyEagle,

    Yes, I heard about the fake rapture. Project Blue Beam or something if I remember right can't prove it though. Have you heard about the Gulf War hologram story?

    Washington Post

    They've not only been counting on it but fomenting it and using it to their advantage. How do you get a moderate Muslim to turn radical? You pay for the books to teach his kids Jihad train him to fight a superpower with it and win (Afghan/Soviet war) then you defile his holy lands, step on his toes, opress him, beat him, torture him, make fun of his god, bomb and torture his children, occupy his countries, force him into corporate slavery, saddle him with a fiat currency (private central bank) redistribute his resources (United Nations), balkanize his population to distract and weaken him then endlessly pump out photos and cartoons of it all in your news papers tv programs and websites globally. One name for it is PSYOPS. Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group. Cui bono?

    Or in the reverse how do you get American's to go to war with Muslims? You engineer their consent. You tell them they are under attack from an external threat blow up some buildings and blame it on your useful idiots. The experts all agree. Brzezinski, Kissenger, Goering, Julius Caesar, Edward Bernays. Joseph Goebbels. Cui bono?

    I have no doubt the Islamic world hates us. But they didn't pull off 9/11 alone anymore than they did Bali, the Spain train station or the London tube. There were Muslims involved for certain sure but they were trained and protected by the CIA FBI and MI5 and funded through drug deals. Iran Contra? Operation Mongoose? Gladio? Bin Laden CIA asset, Saddam CIA asset, Aswatt (London tube) proven admitted. Aswatt was hidden and protected by MI5 and that was even admitted on Fox News!

    Don't forget the Bin Ladens. Again cui bono?

    Ron Paul already explained it. The End of Dollar Hegemony
     
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    All that hard to understand (disconnected) stuff you described above just sorta falls together when you start to understand Agenda 21 and sustainable development doesn't it LE?

    On the surface it "sounds like honey in your ear", but it's rotten to the core.
     
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    This fills in what Ron Paul left out I think LadyEagle.

    THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE WORLD MONETARY SYSTEM

    Since the conclusion of the Social Summit a month ago, top financial officials from the United States and Japan have been discussing the effect of the precipitous drop in the dollar against the yen and deutsche mark, thus combining the national economic activity with the international repercussions.

    There are two levels of activity going on. On one side of the dollar crisis is the G-7 saying they cannot reach a conclusion as to what should be done with the dollar and on the other, the United Nations wants to help eliminate the currency fluctuation by taxing the profits from international currency trading which would reap billions of dollars for them and (2) restructure the International Monetary Fund to better control the world economies and flow of monies.

    The Group of Seven finance ministers met on April 25 at the Blair House in Washington, D. C. to discuss the weak dollar and the problems it is causing on world markets and the exchange rate volatility. They offered, however, no cure for the weak dollar. This is most interesting when they recommended that the U.S. devalue its currency in 1985 as a cure for our large trade surplus and yet they cannot come up with any recommendations at this time to strengthen it. Since the Plaza Accord in 1985 where the Group of Five [now Seven] finance ministers decided to devalue the dollar, it has dropped 70% against the yen, from 2.60 to .81 and 60% against the deutsche mark from 3.35 to 1.35.

    With regard to the restructuring of the IMF so that the world can regain control over international currency fluctuations, major ideas under discussion by international bankers and financial experts include: beefing up the IMF's capacity to know what is happening in markets and blow the whistle when problems emerge, setting up a world bankruptcy court of some sort, and establishing a new international rescue fund to provide emergency credit to prevent the bankruptcy of a government whose default might threaten the financial system (WP, 4/17/95). These recommendations, however, fall in line with those suggested in the Human Development Report whereby the International Monetary Fund would be turned into a world central bank. Recently, the IMF went on record saying they "must adopt broad changes to better anticipate and respond to future financial crises such as the collapse of the Mexican peso. The Clinton administration and the Federal Reserve is pushing for the fund to take a more assertive role as the world's economic watchdog" (WP, 4/19/95).

    At the next G-7 meeting in June, the world's finance ministers will have a number of issues to discuss. In addition to the recommendations from the Social Summit by Canada, France, and Denmark to support the Tobin tax, the whole structure of the world's international financial institutions, i.e. the IMF, World Bank,

    United Nations, and other multilateral institutions created at the Bretton Woods Monetary Conference will be on the agenda. Again, it appears that any restructuring of these institutions falls in line with the suggestions in the Human Development Report 1994 and with those of another independent study called the Bretton Woods Commission, headed by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker "to overhaul the world monetary system" (WP, 4/17/95). Note this study was performed before the Barings Bank failure and the Mexican peso crisis. What were they anticipating or orchestrating?

    Commenting on the global tax idea, E. Gerald Corrigan of Goldman Sachs, former president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, has the same sort of reservation about a tax on financial transactions as one way to reduce volatility in markets. "Maybe a tax would be a good idea, but it literally would have to be universal. Besides, for a lot of these transactions you would have to have a really stiff price to change behavior" (WP, 4/17/95).

    With regard to the globalization in the markets, Jeff Faux, president of the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D. C., said in order to "fully participate in the global economy and not have institutions regulate that economy, sovereignty has got to be sacrificed." He went on to say that if we are in a global economy, we need to ask ourselves, Where is the Security and Exchange Commission and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration for the global economy?

    The United Nations, along with various studies sponsored by The Ford Foundation, have "set the stage" for the overhaul of the world's monetary system. Just as the dollar has been arbitrarily devalued by the Group of Five [now Seven] and the Mexican peso as well, these same actors will use Mexico as a reason to call for a global tax to reduce currency fluctuation. At the same time, they will say that the world needs an overseer in the world financial markets, which is the empowerment of the IMF as a world central bank.

    Will the next Group of Seven meeting in June (1996) set the stage for a "Second Bretton Woods" monetary conference where the next phase of a global currency system will be worked out? The fact that the Group of Seven could come to no conclusion with regard to the dollar is most interesting. Is the next rumbling which we will hear the world calling for the replacement of the dollar as the world's reserve currency? Will it be for a new monetary system in which the deutsche mark and yen will have economic seniority over the dollar? Is the financial system as we know it about to be changed to conform to a one world currency? While the exact answers are not forthcoming, the financial and economic stage is being set, the rumblings are getting louder and more pronounced.

    SOURCE. Joan Veon

    This is quite a long piece so I only posted last portion. The rest is pretty much an overview of history but worth the effort to read imho.
     
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    UK policy blamed for soaring debt levels

    By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor (Filed: 20/02/2006)


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    See, I'm not buying that. That's like saying all the mullahs and imams stirring up the jihad on Fridays throughout the Islamic world are all on the CIA or World Globalist payroll or something. The muslim religion has historically been violent and has taken over nations and people by force from the very beginning and have also historically hated Jews. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was affiliated with the Nazi party back in the 1940s. Thomas Jefferson was fighting the muslim (Barbary Pirates) terrorists long ago. The Crusades were in retaliation for muslim launching attacks. African countries have fallen like dominoes to the sword of islam. The First and Second Great Jihads and all of these things have been going on for centuries, long before Sustainable Development was ever a twinkle in anyone's eye. We are in the Third Jihad.
     
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    No that's like you putting words in my mouth LE. You are the one saying I'm tying each and every muslim and mullah to western intelligence and the globalists not me. That's either a straw man or I'm just not making myself clear. I'm thinking it's alittle of both so I'll try to better explain my position.

    The globalists, social engineers that they are have taken an already bad situation between Christians and Muslims and are using it to their advantage. You have to remember that their ultimate goal is a one world government ruled by the elite where everything and everyone is totally controlled because they hate and fear freedom. Free people are not ruled easily.

    What has always stood in the way of one world government? Nationalism and more recently the idea of individualism that our founding fathers believed in so strongly and the self reliance that goes along with that idea and religion along with it's many divisions. Most especially Christianity because they do not want to admit that Christ is the one true King and King of kings.

    The elite wish us to rely only on them. Most people and most especially Christians cannot fathom the evil these people are capable of or willing to commit in pursuit of their goal. We don't think like them. We haven't been brought up to believe the world and it's masses of people are ours to control like cows. They are Malthusians and eugenicists. Together they already own one third of the wealth of the whole planet and they want it all and they want to control it all by engineering a global system of feudalism.

    That's where the United Nations, WEFORUN, Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development come in. Now because their plans are multi faceted we need to understand the Hegelian Dialectic and how that all ties in. I know this is alot of reading and I'm sorry but I know no other way to explain it. And no I'm not saying that I'm smarter than everyone else and I'm not calling people dumb. It's just that people have been deliberately distracted away from the real issues and balkanised into many bickering factions that leads us away from discovering what goes on behind the headlines and how we have been and are constantly manipulated by the elite.

    Tools of the trade. Engineering Consent. Edward Bernays.

    Joseph Goebbels proved Bernays wrong about the benefits of engineering consent in a democratic society. He skillfully used propaganda techniques and public relations to help bring down the Weimar Republic and set up Hitler's dictatorship. We all know what happened after that.

    Problem Reaction Solution.

    All through history rulers have sought to gain power and change society by using Diocletian's Problem Reaction Solution. Nero used it after The Burning of Rome, 64 AD to create an enemy distract the population and consolidate his power.

    Hitler used the Reichstag Fire. To consolidate power destroy the Weimar Republic and set up a dictatorship.

    There are more examples but I won't go into them now because this post is long enough and it's likely most people will roll their eyes up and go to another thread to enjoy being distracted and having their consent engineered into supporting yet another war with Iran.

    The world at this point isn't run by governments LadyEagle. Governments and administrations come and go but the intelligence agencies will be around and in control till Jesus returns.

    And there is enough evidence in plain sight for those that will take the time to look that most of the major terrorist attacks around the world were either directly carried out by the agencies themselves or by using their useful idiot muslim assets or others OKC? that they have secretly trained funded and protected before the attacks then scapegoated afterwards.

    Yes there are real terrorists that act alone or are funded by other radicals. Yes there are terrorists that blow themselves up for "the cause". Yes there are muslims that believe that the infidels must convert or die. But to say that the elites and their flunkies do not control and scapegoat their useful idiots through intelligence agencies and their pliable vassals within their controlled states to produce fear hatred and the desire to go to war change society and consolidate wealth and power is, well, denying thousands of years of history and reality.

    I just don't know how else to explain it.
     
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    Thanks poncho. I was misunderstanding your point. And thanks for posting all your links, too. [​IMG]
     
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    I have often wondered why, since there was a proven Iraq connection, why this wasn't shouted from the rooftops since we are supposedly fighting a war on terrorism and that is one of the reasons we were told for going to Iraq. It has been proven by very reliable sources there was an Iraq connection to OKC, yet the Bush administration has been strangly silent about it.

    I also still believe there is more than meets the eye to TWA Flight 800. Eyewitnesses saw things that have been discounted by the official explanations. And the 09/11 commission ended up being a joke.
     
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    You are most welcome. Glad we got it straightened out. Maybe someday I'll get better at expressing myself. Sorry for the misunderstanding. [​IMG]

    Well, Clinton was protecting them and the BATF from any scrutiny. Watch these videos you'll understand better. 911 The Road To Tyranny. Police State II - The Takeover. Police State 2000.

    I can't remember which one has all the original video footage from the day of OKC. The media aired it just once live then it sorta dropped off the radar. I think it's in police state two.

    David Shippers I believe was one of those very reliable sources. He couldn't figure out why no one wanted to see the stack of files the FBI and Jana Davis had on all this either.

    The PTB are fortunate that people have such short memories. The CFR 9/11 whitewash commission? Yeah they avoided the real hardcore questions like the plague. Hmmm. Wonder why?

    Here's the site where all the videos are and you can download them for free. Click Here. This one is the latest and I haven't even watched it yet. Think I'll do that right now.

    Martial Law 9-11: Rise of the Police State

    Warning to anyone brave enough to watch these videos. You are about to experience a serious paradigm shift. :eek:

    Let me know what you think of them will you? [​IMG]
     
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    Sorry LadyEagle. This is the video with the original footage from the OKC bombing. America Destroyed By Design It also shows how our national parks were given to the United Nations and Clinton giving control of the Long Beach Naval station and port to COSCO the Red Chinese military.
     
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    Fast forward to 1 hour 17 minutes for video footage of OKC.
     
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    The Constitution has been shredded and America is now a Police State.

    The hyperbole in this statement is stunning. For anyone to make it, in light of the realities of 20th Century communist and fascist states, shows how out of touch with reality he or she is. Ask anyone who left Cuba, Vietnam, or lived in Eastern Europe about police states.

    If this were true, "they" would be kicking down your doors and dragging you off to prison, just for posting it. Police state? :D :D
     
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    I haven't got access to a person that has lived in Cuba Viet Nam or Eastern Europe at the moment but I do have access to an online dictionary. Merriam Webster defines police state as such.

    I see no mention of "kicking doors down" here. Maybe you need to modify your mental picture of what a police state actually is. [​IMG]

    Funny you should mention communism and facism in negative terms as if you find something particularly grotesque in their ideals.

    I wonder how you would describe them in you're own words without study aids and if you could indeed correctly identify the several characteristics that define both philosophies operating within the the agreements treaties and policies now governing the United States.

    If case you don't recognize the above paragraph for what it is. It's a challenge tough guy. Lets see what you got. :D :D
     
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