Ten Commandments, So What??

I believe you can keep it exactly as Adam did - except that you don't see God face to face. However the commandment does not tell us "to see God face to face".

In Exodus 20 - we are told to rest on that day -- we can still do that.

In Lev 23 we are told that it is a day of "Holy Convocation" -- we can do that.

in Isaiah 66 we are told "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" - we can come before God to worship.

There are other commands that require animal sacrifice to obey - and Heb 10 tells us that animal sacrifices have ended -- so they end.

Some commands are in the form of civil laws within a theocracy - we don't have one.

As for your question - I never take anything you say as a show of disrespect to anyone. Though we do not agree on every single point - I always find your posts to be thoughtful and direct to the point.

i highly value your work here -- so don't hold back -- I have no problem with differing points of view.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Thanks Ed -

You are another poster on here that I love to discuss points with because you stay focused on the point and you don't mind if we do not agree on everything.

Having said that - I think there are a number of points where we do agree -- I just tend to seek out the points of difference (it is my nature I guess).

God's blessings to you.

in Christ,

Bob

 

D.L. Moody's work on the Sabbath commandment and the Ten Commandments is a good example of a position in doctrine and principle that I agree with - except that I would argue that you can not edit the commandments in any way as they were spoken directly by God.

i Christ,

Bob

 

And as Pastor Bob notes - this is true of the 9 as well. I am just pointing out that it works for all ten.

In any case it is instructive that practically the entire voting group claims the commandments of God are still binding even on Christians.

Pretty surprising actually -

in Christ,

Bob

 

So here we have the Words of Christ and Words (and actions) of Paul on what is valid in the Word of God (still) -

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1134205&postcount=74

And we also have the list here voting 26 times that the Ten Commandments as given in the Word of God are still valid - still binding even in a case where some reduce them to nine.

Only 4 or 5 are floundering on the shoals of "they are just good ideas nowadays" or "they are abolished".

All good news if you ask me.

in Christ,

Bob

 

D28Guy makes some interesting and valid points on the Sunday thread started by GE -

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1135183&postcount=170

Mike states that there is really nothing in scripture supporting Sunday as having any meaning in terms of the 4th commandment. He states that Christians simply accept on the basis of tradition - not in response to any of the Ten Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob

 

It has been brought to my attention that the other poll on the Ten Commandments has the option "NONE" as the leading option voted for (7 voted in favor of "none" in that other poll).

I think the 17 votes here in favor of God's Ten commandments unchanged and written on the tablet of the human heart (See 2Cor 3 and Heb 8) his finding resonance with the group.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I would also agrue that if the ten commandments are still valid - then they still "define sin" so that all the world is declared to be 'sinners' according to Romans 3 and Gal 3 -- and all need to accept salvation or be doomed to the 2nd death.

 

That would have worked better as quote from scripture. Or at least having a text that says it - after you say that we have "better commandments than God's Ten Commandments" to show that your statement is correct.

OK so the Holy Spirit is the author of the Ten Commandments and as you say with the Spirit of Christ in us - we follow in obedience to His Word.

Sounds good - what about a quote from scripture?

BTW - Gen 2:1-3 is where the Sabbath day is sanctified - set apart - made Holy by God.

There is no animal sacrifice "ceremony" connected to the Sabbath of Creation week - see Exodus 20:8-11.

I am not arguing that Sabbath keepers are the only ones that go to heaven.

I also do not argue that when a Catholic prays to an image - they are excluded from heaven.

But I day say of "ALL MANKIND" after the 2nd coming "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship" Isaiah 66. Not sure if that qualifies for the "all people who abcdef will be in heaven" or not.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The born again Catholic who prays to images has the law of God written in the heart if they have truly entered into the New Covenant.

I would not use that fact to try to argue against God's Ten Commandments or to argue that the commandment against graven images must not be "real" or "serious" or "significant" or "binding" etc.

in Christ,

Bob

 

If you ask a Protestant if the Catholic use of images in worship is wrong they will say "yes".

If you ask a Catholic that same question they say "no".

Hopefully all can agree there.

When a Catholic becomes a Protestant and gives up worship practices that include the use of images - they usally "see" that it was wrong.

When a Christian becomes a Seventh-day Baptist or joins some other 4th commandment keeping group - they generally say that rebellion against the 4th commandment is wrong.

I am sure that most people would agree with that statement as well.

What is even more amazing - given the poll here is that even those who like D.L Moody would consider rest on Saturday to be swappable for rest on Sunday - they still view obedience to the 4th commandment as " a good thing".

in Christ,

Bob

 

Admittedly many Christians in that age held fast to acceptance of the 4th commandment -- but then "edited it" to apply it to week-day-one services rather than the 7th-day of creation week as Exodus 20:8-11 specifies.

However in D.L. Moody's case he seemed to admit to the Saturday fact of the 4th commandment as being unchanged and in force from Gen 2 onward for all mankind.

Yet as you say -- he argues for a week-day-one version that he must surely have known was not what was being practiced in Exodus 20.

But in either case - he is not make your argument for "no 4th commandment" to obey.

in Christ,

Bob