Terrible judgment

HP: A very well done post that peeks the interest I might add. :thumbs: But……………… now lets bring this all to the reality we face every day on this list.

It has been said that Jesus spoke more about money than He did of heaven or hell. I suppose that is up to ones interpretation. Just the same, He did warn about the deceitfulness of riches and we know full well it is extremely hard for a rich man to enter heaven. But, why should all that worry the modern day believer who is born again according and holds fast to OSAS? Nothing they do or can do has any effect on their standing before God, so what would riches matter? So one would get the privilege of being taken home early due to prosperity ‘slaying you.” One simply trades their asphalt driveway and mansion for streets of pure gold and a mansion beyond imagination, and gets it all in advance!. I don’t get what all the fuss is about.

 

HP: Even if I accept your answer, there is one glaring problem. When OSAS is preached everyday and everywhere one turns, the church is the one guilty of creating the false professors you mention here as ‘vomitable unsaved pretenders.’ I don’t blame the pretenders as much as I blame those claiming to be shepherds when in fact, other than something being accomplished in spite of their instruction, are piping a false message to their listeners that proclaims if you say these simple words after me and believe in your heart that Jesus died for you, you are saved and OSAS. The doctrines of OSAS is much to blame for the problem you are witnessing.

Now, how are we going to convince these deceivers that they have not really been born again and arew still in need of a heart transformation? I am afraid that most have received an innoculation of just the right potency of error to keep them from ever understanding the truth or the condition they souls are in.

 

Yes, we live in a horrible world where the lukewarm believers swarm with millions of fake Christians. Their meals are Freedom, Love, Easy Belief, Pre-tribulation Rapture, Wealth from the money-god, pleasure-god, power-god, etc. while enemies are making good preparations for the next stage of Great Tribulation.

I don't think OSAS contributed to the Lukewarmness.
However, I believe that the idea of Pre-trib Rapture makes believers idle away their time and prevent them from standing firm against the paganism and all the anti-christian movement.

Even today, there are so many countries which prohibit the preaching of Gospel.

The whole situation is accumulating the wrath of God and thereby bringing the terrible, inevitable Judgment.

 

It is erronious to place prosperity in and of itself as a negative. Sex can be both good and bad. Fire can be both good and bad. Judgment can be both good and bad. Love can be both good and bad. It is not the money that corrupts the man, it is the love of money, the heart. David was wealthy but had a heart after God. We all must be careful and we all must discern between the good and the evil. God blesses individuals that others will be blessed. To those who is given much, much will be required of him.

God Bless!

ps. OSAS has nothing to do with this topic. Personally, when I saw the truth of OSAS in scripture it is then that I sold out to Jesus Christ. Before that I was just obeying because I thought I might get zapped! That's just my personal experience, others may need the threat of hell to keep them loyal.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

I do not want to hijack the thread. But I must tell you that the Pre=Trib Rapture is absolutely groundless and many are mistaken by it.

I know so many explanations by those claiming it as I have attended so-called Plymouth Brethen ( we deny any denomination name).
JN Darby, Eric Sauer, William Macdonald, etc so many people claimed it and I read those books about their eschatology, but I respectively disagree with them. The Bible rejects it more concretely if you read 2 Thess 2 and Rev 11, 12, Rev 7, etc.
Even today, our church people preach that they will depart this world before the tribulation, saying Bi-Bi to the world, or saying that Delta Airline hires non-christian Pilots to fly with Christian Pilots for the time of the Rapture as the pilots may be raptured.

REad Re 11:11-13 simply which shows the Rapture very clearly and there will be the Remnant believers glorifying God on that occasion. The Rapture will be partial as there will be Remnants and it will happen to the truly faithful believers who are almost in groggy status due to the persecution.

If the believers impending danger of the Anti-Christ, they would become much more diligent preparing for it, instead of being idle and lukewarm.

The others are well commented by Steaver.

 

Eliyahu, if you don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, then why do you Break Bread with those who do?

 

Eschatology is only a small part of the whole doctrines. It is not essentail portion of Salvation, nor is the key truth of the church gathering. If we have to worship with only the people who share the same doctrines for all the issues, we may not find any place or church in the world.
Nobody in the world knows exactly what the future will be, how the interpretation of the whole revelation is.
I just tolerate many misunderstandings on the Eschatology but there are some clear points which tells me the partial rapture and even that in the middle of the Tribulation, and I see clearly some good portions of the truth on the end-times.

 

Sorry not to have read the whole links, but I thought the sites teach on the Almost Christians and so on.
I have already exposed my study on the partial resurrection as we read Re 20:4 and partial rapture in Re 11:11-13.

2 Thess 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Is the man of sin revealed ?

The rapture is very clear in the Bible.

Re 11:
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Who are the 2 witnesses, 2 Candlesticks, 2 Olive trees? Read the entire chapter of Zechariah 4. Three words are well explained there.


If you think you know the Revelation better than I do and want to educate me, please open up a new thread on the following condition:

-Don't bring any other references than the Bible-
( Don't rely on others' interpretation, just show your own interpretation.)

Otherwise, you do not know the truth very much but want to parrot the others' imagination.

One good example of others' imagination is this. They interpret the man on the white horse in Re 6:2 as Devil, then the exactly same expression in Re 19 as Jesus Christ. It sounds like saying that Jesus in Gospel Matthew is different from Jesus in Gospel John.

If you have your own interpretation, you may open up a new thread.

Don't misunderstand that I disagree with you on many things. I have enjoyed many of your own posts, and I like George Whitefield very much too. Your warnings are necessary and correct.

Finally, if the believers knew that they have to suffer a certain portion of Tribulation, then they would have become much more diligent in preparing themselves against it.

 

Sorry not to have read the whole links, but I thought the sites teach on the Almost Christians and so on.
I have already exposed my study on the partial resurrection as we read Re 20:4 and partial rapture in Re 11:11-13.

2 Thess 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Is the man of sin revealed ?

The rapture is very clear in the Bible.

Re 11:
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Who are the 2 witnesses, 2 Candlesticks, 2 Olive trees? Read the entire chapter of Zechariah 4. Three words are well explained there.


If you think you know the Revelation better than I do and want to educate me, please open up a new thread on the following condition:

-Don't bring any other references than the Bible-
( Don't rely on others' interpretation, just show your own interpretation.)

Otherwise, you do not know the truth very much but want to parrot the others' imagination.

One good example of others' imagination is this. They interpret the man on the white horse in Re 6:2 as Devil, then the exactly same expression in Re 19 as Jesus Christ. It sounds like saying that Jesus in Gospel Matthew is different from Jesus in Gospel John.

If you have your own interpretation, you may open up a new thread.

Don't misunderstand that I disagree with you on many things. I have enjoyed many of your own posts, and I like George Whitefield very much too. Your warnings are necessary and correct.

Finally, if the believers knew that they have to suffer a certain portion of Tribulation, then they would have become much more diligent in preparing themselves against it.

 

The two witnesses in Rev 11 are not the people living in the days of Christ or the days of Paul or the days of the Roman persecution.

They are the "two" olive trees and they represent the Word of God that was being obliterated by the RCC during the Dark Ages.

In Christ,

Bob