That debilitating disease - atheist darwinism: What say you?

The idea that atheism inserted into Christianity "should not be pointed out" makes no sense.

The fact that even the FOUNDER of Darwinism ADMITS to this principle -- while some of those inside Christianity seek to infect the body of Christianity with this while telling us to turn a blind eye to it - only compounds the blame for those who seek to aid them in doing it.

Instead of working so hard to cover it up - why not expose it??

Atheists themselves ADMIT to the war between Christianity and atheist darwinism.

DARWIN admits to the fact that THIS caused HIM to turn from Christianity.

A host of Christian leaders admit that this is in fact the case

What more glaring red sign do we need?

As the atheist darwinist devotees state clearly on this thread - they are almost never opposed in this mission -- and when we see an objection raised to their plan -- you "object"???

 

Pointless vaccuous post after pointless vaccuous post by the devotees to atheist darwinism and even though the post is made here saying to OBSERVE the empty factless positions taken by believers in atheist darwinism when the light is directed toward their compromised purposes -- yet STILL they continue that line of posting.

Even the RC posters on this board do not do that when it comes to some RC unique topic!!

 

Well some of the bible believing Christians are convinced that they can turn a blind eye to the inroads of atheism in the Christian community. So I am trying to get them to wake up to not only the presence of atheist principles being added to Christian groups but also the antics of those who choose to become devotees of atheist darwinism.

I agree that the compaign of Philip Johnson, Michael Behe, James Kennedy to expose the intellectual dishonesty and blind vaccuous perfidity of atheist darwinism "in general" is a nobal cause - but not necessarily the concern of all Christians. After all - can't those honest Christians simply cloister their family friends and children in private schools that WILL teach the truth about nature, science AND the Creator of both!!

Kennedy and others are "assuming" that atheist darwinism is not present IN the church pew. They combat its errors, myths and half-truths as if you would only find them in the University.

BUT the inroads of atheism as compromised Christians bring atheist darwinism INTO the Christian church IS a matter for all Christians.

These threads are being posted here so that Bible Believing christians can see the blatant perfidity of the methods used by the devotees to atheist darwinism as they seek to obscure Romans 1 and the clear point God makes about "what is CLEARLY SEEN in the things that have been MADE even by UNBELIEVERS".

In Christ,

Bob

 

There is another "all Christian" scope for this discussion.

Consider this -- NO Christian denomination has embraced the gay agenda without FIRST embracing atheist evolutionism in the pews and in it's seminaries and in its universities.

That does not mean that all who have swallowed the lies of atheist evolutionism have all already reached the advanced stage of that error that embraces the gay agenda -- but it means that the door to the error of the gay agenda is slammed shut in churches that reject atheist darwinism!

And no church that embraces atheist darwinism - has done so without FIRST rejecting the memorial of creation given to mankind by Chist the Creator in the 10 commandments.

That does not mean that all who reject Christ's memorial of Creation have ALSO embraced atheist darwinism - but it does mean that the door to atheist darwinism is slammed shut in the churhes that still value and uphold Christ's memorial of Creation. (AT LEAST at the level that D.L. Moody did)

 

"The Root of the Problem" is where D. James Kennedy highlights the historic sources for this.

Hitler WAS atheist.

Hitler DID hand out evolutionist manifestos to his army.

Hitler's entire concept of the "master race" and eugenics was BASED on atheist darwinism - this is a published fact of history.

I don't blame believers in atheist darwinism for choosing to be blind to this - but IF you are not a follower of that cult - why in the world choose blindness on this point?

 

Johnson, Behe and Kennedy point out the failings of atheist darwinism - in general. But Kennedy goes to historic references to show the influence of atheist darwinists on Hitler's training of his own military machine.

Instead of avoiding the historic references and slandering Kennedy "just because" - why not look them up!?

Do something other than attack the man without actually having any data to back you up.

Dream on.

But rant less.

Now that is a good wild card. Equivocate between Seventh-day Baptists and Judaism!!

My point remains - and it remains in the context of Christian groups like the SDB. Feel free to keep maligning them in your defense of the atheist darwinist views being exposed here.

I notice that EVEN though you are not Calvinist - you fail to do anything but post in favor of it!

EVEN though you are not atheist darwinist - you fail to do anything but attack men like D. James Kennedy!

What is it with you Eric?

Are you "practicing" for something?

In Christ,

Bob

 

The problem with atheist darwinism's debilitating effects on reason and acceptance of fact -- is that it facts with stories and myths designed to fit the primary rule of atheist darwinism "there is no God".

That means that you have to toss out Genesis 1, John 1, Col 1, Romans 1, and Rev 14:7 for starters - because all refer to God's active role in creation in away that does not fit atheism's rule "there is NO God".

Atheist darwinists inside the Christian church embrace glaring contradictions such as "God created the world - but not so's you would notice".

The atheist on the OUTSIDE of the church like Richard Dawkins -- would say OBVIOUSLY that is a contradiction being held by the atheist darwinists devotees on the INSIDE of the church..

The Bible believing Christians INSIDE the church would say "Yep - I can see that clearly".

The compromised Christians that must say "Jesus Created all things - but not so's you would notice" says -- "I just can't see the problem".

And so taking that intellectually dishonest starting point - they "continue" to work their way through the Bible throwing out this and that - so that in the end - atheist darwinism's primary rule is fully satisifed.

When God says "unbelieving pagans are WITHOUT EXCUSE due to the invisible attributes of God CLEARLY SEEN in the THINGS that have been made" - the Bible believing Christian AND The unbelieving atheist AGREE that the FIRST and most basic attribute would have to be intelligence - it is prerequisite to all other attributes of God.

But the atheist and the compromised Christian would join in unison saying "And we don't even see ONE example of that being true" - thus preserving the axiomatic rule of atheist darwinism when it comes to things that are "CLEARLY SEEN in the things that have been MADE". Which is "It is clearly seen that NOTHING has been MADE".

So the question for Eric is this - why do you find it right to say that we should turn a blind eye to these teachings of atheism that are brought INSIDE the church?

What makes you think that this really has no effect at all on the church when such a dishonest approach is taken to scripture and then used to modify doctrine?

 

You make a sweeping statement about Kennedy denying the fall of mankind in Eden - and then don't back it up with any data IN RESPONSE to my complaint that your falt-finding with kennedy is not actually using "data".

You then ALSO state that his historic sources that SHOW Hitler basing his racist military machine on the doctrine of evolutionism carefully taught to his armies - is correct. But you just "want" to turn a blind eye to it??

You are not making sense OR using data!

Does Kennedy get the blame for what Chick prints now???!!

"Probably had some influence" is a non-specific come-back in support of your refusal to even listen to the historic sources -- well known authors that Kennedy is referencing and that you admit as being correct.

HOW do you get a "master race" Without racisim. Hitler's own well published system of eugenics was based on evolutionism?

You don't seem to want to refute this - you just want to "ignore it".

What has convinced you that "atheism can not have such bad consequences"???

Wake up Eric instead of just randomly complaining.

YOU are the one that claimed that the Sabbath keeping groups were not old enough - SDB is older than SDA and were much larger at the time they introduced Adventests to Christ the Creator's memorial of creation.

Certianly something you enjoy bashing about as much as you seem to enjoy bashing Kennedy and telling us how little real damage the atheist evolutionist doctrines did in Nazi Germany.

This seems to be a "pattern" with you.

What's up?

In Christ,

Bob

 

So far - this thread is exposing the inroads of atheist darwinism as it affects the doctrines of the Christian churches that it invades as SEEN here already on this thread!

Your contribution to this point has been to just bash D. James Kennedy -- as if that "Was a good thing".

I on the other hand point out that I am not a Presbyterian but I can certainly admit to the historic points of truth that Kennedy brings out without having to bash him because "He is not an SDA".

Why don't you come around on this one?

I wouldn't have thought that a thread highlighting the dangers of atheist darwinism that is COMPLETE with the bogus posts (proven to be totally factless so far) from devotees to atheist darwinism ON THIS THREAD -- would find you -- only bashing those that expose the dangers of atheist darwinism WHILE CLAIMING (as you did with the Calvinist thread) that you are not a devotee to that false religion.

My point is that your "contribution" seems dubious at best.

There is a "brand" of Calvinism (4 and 5 pointers primarily) that teach the Jonathan Edwards flavor of "Joy in seeing the torment of the wicked". I posted a scenario pointing out that they are doing this EVEN when the context is seeing their own loved ones in torment.

I then contrasted that with the SAME Scenario for Arminians who would see THEIR loved ones being tormented -- but in the Arminian system "God so LOVED THE WORLD" yes really.

Calvinist whined at the sharp contrast that was revealed when both Arminian and Calvinist models were placed side by side.

You whined about that too - on this board.

Funny - huh?!!

When it comes to what you claim to oppose - you complain when that flaw is being detailed.

"er and confuseder said Alice".

Pay attention to details - and learn.

Why is this simple concept so hard for you to get Eric. I keep pointing out that Kennedy is NOT an SDA and I could certainly find plenty of ground to whine and gripe about him were I to take your path.

INSTEAD I am honest and objective and very happy to highlight points where he is bringing truth to light.

You seem to be stuck whining about everyone!

Why drag that in here?

 

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I wouldn't have thought that a thread highlighting the dangers of atheist darwinism that is COMPLETE with the bogus posts (proven to be totally factless so far) from devotees to atheist darwinism ON THIS THREAD -- would find you -- only bashing those that expose the dangers of atheist darwinism WHILE CLAIMING (as you did with the Calvinist thread) that you are not a devotee to that false religion.

My point is that your "contribution" seems dubious at best.

There is a "brand" of Calvinism (4 and 5 pointers primarily) that teach the Jonathan Edwards flavor of "Joy in seeing the torment of the wicked". I posted a scenario pointing out that they are doing this EVEN when the context is seeing their own loved ones in torment.

I then contrasted that with the SAME Scenario for Arminians who would see THEIR loved ones being tormented -- but in the Arminian system "God so LOVED THE WORLD" yes really.

Calvinist whined at the sharp contrast that was revealed when both Arminian and Calvinist models were placed side by side.

You whined about that too - on this board.

Funny - huh?!!

When it comes to what you claim to oppose - you complain when that flaw is being detailed.

"er and confuseder said Alice".

OT debates??? What in the world are you talking about??!!!!

This was based on the NT statement in Rev 14:10!!!

Get a grip Eric!!

Jonathan Edwards is the one that details "Their JOY" at seeing the torment of the wicked - and THEY agree with him. HOW in the WORLD can you BLAME ME for that??!!!

I merely point it OUT - while by CONTRAST pointing out the SORROW that would be the response of the loving God and the loving parent in the Arminian scenario with the SAME conditions where "God so LOVES the HE GAVE" !!!

What part of this is difficult for you to grasp in your endless complaining??

 

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HOW do you get a "master race" Without racisim. Hitler's own well published system of eugenics was based on evolutionism?

Fact A: Nothing is ever negative is ever said about "race" in the Bible as was pointed out in the presentation. The idea that child-A is a "different RACE" than child-B is not something the Bible endorses as was pointed out in the presentation.

Fact B: While we DO have historic sources showing Hitler to link evolutionism to his policies we do NOT HAVE historic sources showing well documented references by Hitler to the argument you made up. So now we have your "story telling" to compare against the actual historic published statements from Hitler and those who wrote of his policies and actions to "contrast".

Why do you keep going down these dark allies each time a point of truth is raised??

 

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Why is this simple concept so hard for you to get Eric. I keep pointing out that Kennedy is NOT an SDA and I could certainly find plenty of ground to whine and gripe about him were I to take your path.

INSTEAD I am honest and objective and very happy to highlight points where he is bringing truth to light.

You seem to be stuck whining about everyone!

Why drag that in here?

THAT is a very telling statement on our part Eric!! I can't believe you would post it!

You compare your whining about D. James Kennedy being a well-respected Christian teacher -- with MY whining about atheist Darwinism and its negative impact AS SEEN by the bogus non-truths EVEN posted by the darwinists ON THIS THREAD!!

I have to agree with you on that point - you ARE whining about D. James. Kennedy in that same way AS IF HE is some kind of evil being in the same way Satan would use atheist doctrines inserted into the Christian church.

You bring that in to a thread where I am exposing the damage that Atheism does - BECAUSE (in this case) Kennedy is ALSO shown to highlight the flaws and dangers of atheist Darwinism -- THEN you point out "innexplicably" that though you are simply whining about Dr. Kennedy - if we talked with you longgggggggg enough we would find that you do not fully agree with atheist darwinism -- (just that you apparently like whining about Kennedy more than highlighting the dangers of atheist doctrines inserted into the Christian groups seen here!)

How sad Eric!

 

When the atheist darwinist cult member brings in the vaccuous non-factual point -

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Originally Posted by Jim1999
Sorry, Eric, if you are not a member of the seventh day adventist cult, you must be an atheist


Eric responds that no mention can be made of the information that Dr D. James Kennedy JUST GAVE out on the impact of atheist darwinism on the history of the 20th century!

How sad!!

 

I suspect there is a lot of intellectual dishonesty on this issue. Consider the following fantasy: the National Academy of Sciences publishes a position paper on science and religion stating that modern science leads directly to atheism. What would happen to its funding? To any federal funding of science? Every member of the Congress of the United States of America, even the two current members who are unaffiliated with any organized religion, profess to be deeply religious. I suspect that scientific leaders tread very warily on the issue of the religious implications of science for fear of jeopardizing the funding for scientific research. And I think that many scientist feel some sympathy with the need for moral education and recognize the role that religion plays in this endeavor. These rationalizations are politic but intellectually dishonest. ~ William Provine

 

On page two the unified voice of atheist darwinists was quoted SHOWING how they "clearly see" the primary core value "THERE IS NO GOD" being clearly SEEN in atheist darwinism.

I leave the defense of atheist darwinism now to Eric - who does not believe in it - but wants to whine about anyone exposing it or its effects on history in this thread.