The Assumption of Mary

It wasn't forbidden -- to touch them made them unclean. Along with how many other things defined in the OT??? Yet Jesus explained that nothing outside a man could make him unclean -- so I'm thinking it's hard to use Numbers 19 to call this a "sin" or "abomination".

 

These offspring are all Christians down through the ages. Just as Eve is the mother of all mankind, Mary is the mother of all believers in Christ--even those who, to their great shame, choose to ignore Luke 1:48. That is one of the reasons Mary is generally regarded as the new Eve.

 

Mary is not my mother. I do not have a heavenly mother. I have a heavenly Father.

There is not one reference in the NT of any believer being a child of Mary.

 

I stand corrected, majority do believe Mary died....I took RCIA Classes during '06 and '07.

Concerning teachers of RCIA...I wasn't too impressed to be honest. After being schooled by the likes of Scott Hahn, Jimmy Atkins and Steve Ray, I knew just as much as the teachers. RCIA was very "elementary" imo, but for some people, that was almost too much.

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Well again, I'm not sure how one can claim Christ for brother and thereby God as Father, and reject Mary as mother. Just me though.

 

Sadly enough, I can believe that about both the teachers and the pupils.

 

I don't claim any relationship to Christ as brother on a physical plane.
Christ said: "Ye are my brothers" on a spiritual plane.
I am not related to Amy, but she is my sister, in Christ. That doesn't maker her mother my mother, or her father my father, which is the logic that you are using.

My relationship to Christ is primarily that He is my Savior and Lord.
My relationship to God the Father is that He is my Heavenly Father.
My relationship to Mary is nada. She is a wicked sinner like the rest of us. She is dead. Her body lies in the grave. She awaits the resurrection like all the rest of the dead. I consider her to be a dead sinner, that when she was alive was used of God for a short period of time to bring Jesus into this world, and that is all. She is not the mother of God. To say as much is another heresy in and of itself.

 

Well, she is your sister in Christ, :thumbs:

 

Because scripture does not teach Mary is your mother in Christ. Scripture teaches Mary was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah, Jesus, and mothered Jesus while on this earth. If Mary is still Jesus' mother or my mother then she would have authority over me and I would be commanded to obey her authority.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

So exactly when did Mary cease to be the mother of Jesus, and where is this concept explained in Scripture?

 

Surely you are aware that the title "Mother of God" arose in relationship to the nature of Christ and the hypostatic union of his two natures in one person which occurred at the moment of the Incarnation?

And regarding whether Mary sinned or was ever-virgin or is not assumed into heaven, while one may choose to not accept the Traditional teaching in these areas -- it has always seemed to me that from an explicit Scriptural perspective, the most one can say is we don't know. Anything beyond is reactionary and pushes Scripture beyond the limits of what it conveys.

 

Actually, there is -- the apostle John.

 

I'm sure they'll tip-toe around that one too...

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Could you explain, please?

 

John 19:26-27:

When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home].​

Here we see Mary refered to as Jesus' mother and to John to behold his mother (Mary), in which he did.

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Agnus just beat me to it, but I would add that Jesus did not simply say to John to "take care of my mother" in terms of a material sense. He confers the motherhood of Mary to John when he refers to her as "your mother". John, the faithful disciple who stood at the foot of the cross received this gift, as do we all I believe.

 

Christ was simply telling John to take care of His mother, because He was going to die.

It is quite a stretch to say that Mary is our mother.

Christ was Mary's redeemer just as He is ours. She was a sinner like me, but chosen by God to carry Christ in her womb.

In all of Paul's epistles, there is nothing about Mary that I am aware of. Surely if she is so important to the NT church, he would have included her among all the intructions to the churches.