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The atonement and animals

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, Jul 11, 2013.

  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    The "L" crowd claims Christ only died for the nebulous group called the elect. The Passover was a foreshadowing of Christ's sacrifice. How we're the firstborn livestock saved if the atonement only applied to the elect? How will the following be accomplished if the atonement is not universal?

    And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the kid, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. (NASB) Isaiah 11:6
     
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    Does this question occupy your thoughts?
     
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    webdog Active Member
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    I would like to hear the critical thinking skills involved in fitting the two together. Obviously my position poses no problem in reconciling the two.
     
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    It was LIMITED to the ELECT'S livestock:

    4 And Jehovah shall make a distinction between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt; and there shall nothing die of all that belongeth to the children of Israel. Ex 9

    Throughout the Exodus story/type God makes this same distinction:

    7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that Jehovah doth make a distinction between the Egyptians and Israel. Ex 11
     
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    Very interesting question.
     
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    What does Isaiah 11:6 have to do with the question?

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    I was wondering about that too.
     
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    This refers to the pestilence that would strike down animals.

    This refers to the uproar the Egyptians would have toward Pharoah but they would say nothing against the Israelites after the Passover, but I see your point.
     
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    How will the curse be lifted against the animals listed during the Millenium if Christ's death is only for the elect? It would reason only the elect will be free from the curse under limited atonement.
     
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    That still doesn't answer the question. Since its a clear foreshadowing of the true atonement, it must only apply to the elect, not their property.
     
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    My best guess and it is only a guess.

    for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God; Rom 8:19 YLT
    for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject [it] -- in hope, that also the creation itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God;

    Added two more verses 20,21
     
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    BTW I do not think it was L.
     
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    Because, the millennium hallmark is the Rule of Christ. That rule demands that every element of the world system conform to Him. Therefore, even the animal kingdom responds in such as way that there is no fighting and bickering.

    The BB will die from lack of interest in "debate" tactic discussions.

    Also, who agrees that the millennium is ONLY for God's elect?

    There is plenty of discipline towards the humankind that do not obey the rule of Christ.

    The elect are in a glorified state having returned with Christ in the second coming and are not subject to the innate fallen human condition.
     
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