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    I made no reference to Rom 5:1 so what are you talking about ? Are you going to pay attention to what I said and the verses I used or not ?
     
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    What is repentance ? In short repentance is no more than the redeemed sinner being experientially reconcile to God, and this reconciliation is given or bestowed upon all for whom Christ died Col 1:21-22

    21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

    22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    This reconciliation also is through Christ's death as that in Rom 5:10 was, the difference being this. The reconciliation in Rom 5:10 was God being reconciled to is Apostate people even while they are being enemies, and it is promised there, that they shall e saved by His Life, well here in 1 Col 1:21 is the fulfillment of that promise, and what Christ does here to save us, is reconcile us to God and He does away with that enmity that was in our minds by wicked works, of which constituted us enemies Rom 5:10, so basically, we have recorded between Rom 5:10 and Col 1:20 the full effect of Christ's Reconciling Death !

    Col 1:20 is actually expressive of one being given repentance toward God,and again it is the effect of Christ's reconciling death, and to deny Christ's Death this accomplishment for everyone He died, is antichrist, plain and simple !190
     
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    Jesus gives Life to the World ! Pt 2

    The Lord Jesus Christ Gives, not offer, or make available, Life [Spiritual] to the World [ Church or the World of His Sheep, both jew and gentile Sheep ! ] !

    Jn 6:33

    33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. That is He is giving if forth from Himself, as the quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    The word quickening is the greek word zōopoieō and means:

    to produce alive, begat or bear living young

    2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

    a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

    b) to restore to life

    c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

    d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life

    3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

    So He became a Life giving Spirit, by sending the Holy Spirit to give Life to His Church !

    Now because Christ by dying this Covenant Death for the World He is to save Matt 26:28, the World He died for is given Life, life from the Spiritual Dead, for this must be so, for He states this Purpose Jn 10:10

    10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have or receive life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    All for whom Christ will be by His Resurrection or because of it, begotten again unto a Lively Hope !

    1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    This begotten again is the greek anagennaō and means:


    to produce again, be born again, born anew

    2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

    They produced again into a new Life. This corresponds with Him being a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45 and that is how He fulfills what is said in Jn 6:33

    33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

    He gives it through New Birth to each member of that World !
     
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    Is there a difference between "righteousness" and "justification"?
     
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    I answered you very clearly and directly, and then asked a question of my own, which you have not answered at all..
     
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    Heb 10:14 By one offering he hath perfected for ever

    Heb 10:14

    14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    It must be also that all for whom Christ died, by His Offering alone, apart from any work of the Spirit on them or in them, that by this one One Offering, they are Justified forever, because by it they are perfected forever, and within this perfection there is not one of their sins not punished in Christ for them, to include the sin of unbelief !

    The word perfected here means:

    to make perfect, complete

    to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end

    to complete (perfect)

    add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full

    to be found perfect to bring to the end (goal) proposed

    to accomplish

    bring to a close or fulfilment by event

    of the prophecies of the scriptures

    Now remember, the Author is speaking about the Effects of the Death of Christ, and that it [Christ's Offering alone] Perfected those who are sanctified.

    Now what does this mean ?

    It means that Christ has perfectly fulfilled the Law for them ! He obeyed all of its Precepts Perfectly, not for Himself, but for them, Before God's Law and Justice !

    Next, He has perfectly atoned for their sins, took them out of the way,absolved them before God's Law and Justice, perfectly.Cleansed them as Per Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    Also, He obtained forgiveness of all our sins ,Perfectly, past, present and future, for all the Elect of all time !

    We have by virtue of His Offering been Justified from all things Acts 13:39

    And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

    Not their believing Justified them from all things, But Christ, by His Offering, which we come to believe when that fact is Revealed to us !

    All this was accomplished solely by the Offering of Christ for all whom He died, before and apart from but not to omit or cast aside, the Work of the Spirit and the Faith of the Believer ! 192
     
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    By His Stripes Ye are Healed !

    1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    By His Stripes ye are Healed. The Death of Christ here is clearly stated by the inspired writer, the Apostle to be the Sole and Meritorious Cause of Being Healed. That is His Stripes provided the Eternal Benefit of perfectly Healing those whom Christ died for from all sin in God's Sight ! Col 1:22

    In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    Thats why by His Death alone He hath Perfected forever they who are sanctified Heb 10:14

    14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    This is by ONE OFFERING, not by the Work of the Spirit, but BY the OFFERING of His Body , when He bare Our sins in His Own Body on the Tree 1 Pet 2:24.

    The Healing is also pointed out by the OT writer who was shown the Covenant benefit of the Death of Christ Ps 103:2-3

    Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

    3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

    Yes, that is a benefit of the Death of Christ alone, for those He died for, all their sins are forgiven, a clean slate, as though they never sinned.

    Remission of sins is by the Blood of Christ alone before God's Sight !

    Those false teachers who teach that Christ death in and of itself does not Justify one or that its Worthless, they are not of God !
     
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    The Lord Jesus Christ's death is a saving Death, the benefits of His redeeming gives both Faith and Repentance to those He died for, His Church. That Faith is a gift of God given by Christ to those that He saves, that He is their Saviour, it is seen in that He gives Repentance to Israel, His Elect out of both jews and gentiles Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.195

    You see that ? God exalted Him with His Right Hand, TO BE A PRINCE AND SAVIOUR, for to GIVE REPENTANCE !

    Folks Christ is not a Saviour without giving Repentance to Israel and not just ethnic jews, but that Israel of God made up of both jews and gentiles Acts 11:18

    18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

    Now in this sense Repentance and Faith are the same, Two sides of one Coin, for Repentance in its widest significance is a change of mind, and then embracing something that has been newly revealed, in which case, True Repentance is a changing of our mind from seeking salvation by our own righteousness, our works and conditions, and embracing the Righteousness of God being made known to one from Faith to Faith through the Gospel Rom 1:16-17

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    So when scripture states that God gives Repentance or the Saviour Christ gives Repentance, Faith is automatically included or its not genuine Repentance, and so the Apostles often Preached both hand and hand Acts 20:21

    21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Because these both were given to those being saved by the Cross !
     
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    Isa 42:6-7 Christ's Covenant Death !

    Isa 42:6-7

    6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

    7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.


    Christ's Covenantal Death, for all the Covenant People, which are all those the Father gave Him Per Jn 17:2

    2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    And to these it says "and give thee for a covenant of the people,"

    These are also the Children of Promise Rom 9:8, now to them, He delivers them all from the prison of unbelief, for that is the promise here indicated in this scripture, because unbelief is a prison, and all for whom Christ died must be brought out of that Prison.

    Unbelief is a Prison we know from Paul's statement regarding God's Judgment against the Elect for sin, He concluded them all in Unbelief Rom 11:32

    32 For God hath concluded them all in or into unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    The key here is the meaning of the word concluded ! It is the greek word sygkleiō and means:


    to shut up together, enclose

    a) of a shoal of fishes in a net

    2) to shut up on all sides, shut up completely

    Notice, to shut up on all sides or to enclose !

    It means:

    to shut or hem in; close in on all sides

    Of course the idea conveyed is to confine or to imprison, and so it is , all the elect are by nature imprisoned, confined, enclosed in unbelief.

    God is the primary and first cause of this as stated in Rom 11:32, but God also employs satan as a secondary cause, the god and prince of this world, and so it is written of him 2 Cor 4:3-4a

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

    All by nature are shut into unbelief by satan and the blindness of the mind he causes by the permission or will of God See Eph 4:18 also !

    However, everyone Christ died for, His Covenental and Redemptive Death, by His Blood, has opened blind eyes and brought out the prisoners from the prison of unbelief !

    The word prison in Isa 42:7 is the hebrew word macger and means:

    a shutting up, locksmith, smith, dungeon, enclosure, builder of bulwarks

    Christ's Redeeming Covenental Death for His People brings all for whom He died out of the prison, the enclosure of unbelief which they are in by nature.

    So if any that Christ died for remain in unbelief, and never come to saving Faith in Christ, that would mean that satan, the god of this world, was victorious over Christ and His Blood, and God's justice being satisfied for that one did not release them from the prison of unbelief ! That means that satan was stronger than Christ; And many right today, who call themselves Gospel Preachers, they would tell us that a great many for whom Christ died, will die or remain in unbelief.

    It should go without saying, that all such preachers and professing christians are liars and are ignorant to the Accomplishments of Christ's Covenental Death !

    Zech 9:11

    As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
     
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    Give Repentance and Forgiveness of sins !

    Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    What does it mean to Give Repentance and Forgiveness of Sins here ? It means for Christ gives His People forgiveness or remission of sins, that is an Spiritual Application of it to the conscious, by giving s Spiritual Knowledge of it Lk 1:77

    77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

    Now the Word give here in both is the greek word didōmi and means:


    to give

    2) to give something to someone

    a) of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage

    1) to bestow a gift

    b) to grant, give to one asking, let have

    c) to supply, furnish, necessary things

    d) to give over, deliver

    1) to reach out, extend, present

    2) of a writing

    3) to give over to one's care, intrust, commit

    a) something to be administered

    To administer something or to apply something ! So Christ gives by application or by applying Salvation and the Knowledge of Remission of sins.

    Until it is made known to them so that so that they receive it by Faith, they are ignorant of it, or it is a Mystery ! However because of Covenant Engagement of Christ on their behalf, they always had an interest in Christ's Blood which is for their Remission of Sins Eph 1:7

    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness or remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    So receiving remission of sins in the time state by God given Faith is but receiving God's Act of Remission from Eternity !
     
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