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    1 Jn 4:9 That we might live through him.

    1 Jn 4:9-10

    9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

    10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.


    Christ's Coming as having been sent by God the Father, it had purpose behind it, and that was that those who are believing might Live. In fact believing is living, and believing was the end to which He sent Christ to accomplish.

    By His coming and putting away our sins, making full satisfaction for them to God's Law and Justice, we now are given the privilege [through New Birth] to live Spiritually unto God.

    Christ's death for all whom He died ensures a deliverance for them from spiritual death, and the granting of Spiritual Life, to Live unto God. Paul taught the same thing here 2 Cor 5:14-15

    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Simply put, if any never receive New Spiritual Life [which is Eternal Life] to live unto God, then Christ did not die for them., nor were they Loved of Him, nor the Father, nor the Spirit. For any to remain in Spiritual death, to remain dead in trespasses and sins without being quickened Eph 2:4-5, then its safe to say Christ did not die for that one.
     
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    His Death actually redeems to God !

    Rev 5:9

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain[Died], and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    Yes, that was the result and effect of His being slain. Remember Peter said Acts 2:23

    Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    Jesus said Lk 9:21-22

    21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;

    22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

    And so it is those He was slain in behalf of shall praise Him here Rev 5:9

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    This His redemptive death made them believers. How so ? By making them into a Kingdom of Priests unto God, for in order to do that, we must be made believers. For our priesthood duties consist of 1 Pet 2:9

    9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

    This we cannot do in unbelief dead in sin. So Christ's Redemptive death must do all to effect that and it did, hence why we read Rev 5:9-10 ! 14
     
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    Accepted in the Beloved !

    Christ's acceptance of God after finishing His Work here on Earth Jn 17:4

    4 I have glorified Thee on the earth; I have finished the work which Thou gavest Me to do.

    It was not that He was accepted as an private Person, but it was acceptation of all His Body the Church, or those given Him Vs2; For His acceptance was their being accepted along with Him, hence they were accepted or graced in the Beloved Eph 1:6

    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherewith he hath made us freely accepted in his beloved.GB

    Christ was given a work to do as the Churches High Priest, having therefore to offer Himself as a Sacrifice, to make atonement or reconciliation for the people Heb 2:17

    17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Note: Christ's death was not for all without exception, but for a particular people.

    Which atonement or reconciliation put away their sins forever, and for them it did satisfy God's Wrath He had against their sins against His Law. Heb 9:26

    For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

    His sacrifice of Himself put away sin. That word phrase "put away" is the greek athetēsis and means:

    abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection,to do away with completely.

    And after this He appears in the immediate presence of a pacified Holy God for them Heb 9:24

    24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

    24 For the Messiah has entered a Holiest Place which is not man-made and merely a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, in order to appear now on our behalf in the very presence of God. That is in behalf of all for whom He died, The sins of the People Heb 2:17

    Now this denotes not only His acceptance in the favorable Presence of God, but also those for whom He sacrificed Himself in Behalf of.He is there in God's Presences at His Right Hand making Intercession for them Rom 8:334

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us[God's Elect].

    This Intercession for them is on the basis of His Blood, His Sacrifice, which does effect an Favorable Divine Intervention in each of their Lives and they come to God through Him Heb 7:25

    25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. The them of Rom 8:34, the Elect Vs 33 !

    And by this, they are saved to the uttermost by His Life Rom 5:10b

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    Yes, His Resurrection is here included because it was the first indication,token, or sign that His Sacrifice was accepted in route to His appearing in God's presence for us. All for whom Christ died are accepted by the Father even before they believe, reconciled even while enemies, because its not based upon their belief but on Christ's Blood.

    That's why even while enemies, unbelievers, they have been reconciled to God. That word reconciled means :

    to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

    a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)

    b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one

    c) to receive one into favour

    The reason why the are received into Favor is because they are being represented in the very presence of God by Christ for them Heb 9:24

    24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

    So while we are enemies down here and unbelievers, we enjoy the gracious favor of God because of Christ in His Presences for us, if He died for you ! If He did, we are born as sinners into this world accepted in the Beloved, and shall be saved by His Life !
     
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    Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

    By the death of Christ alone, apart from believing, repenting, accepting a gift, calling on the Name of the Lord, or anything DONE by those Christ died for, but Solely by His Death, He hath redeemed them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    There are no charges or consequences against them for all their violations of God's Law, they have a perfect clean slate , and God will not impute sin against them no matter what Rom 4:8

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Yes, this man God will not charge with sin ! Not that this man is not a sinner, ungodly, an enemies by nature, all that can be true, nevertheless, if Christ has died for them, God cannot and will not charge them with sin. That's Justification and Forgiveness by Grace ! Sin is the Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4

    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Yet, those whom Christ died for, and by that death, redeemed them from the curse of the Law [ The strength of sin is the Law 1 Cor 15:56] Sin is not counted against them, they are Truly Blessed Rom 4:8.

    Those Christ did not die for, are under the curse of the law, and shall remain until they hear these words Matt 25:41

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
     
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    They will follow Him or become believers !

    John 12:32

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    This drawing all men to Himself is an promised Effect of Him being Lifted Up, which speaks of His Death.

    Now this drawing means that they will follow Him as His Sheep.

    The word draw is the greek word helkō and means:

    to draw, drag off

    2) metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

    Jesus is using the word in the metaph #2 sense. He will draw them by an inner power, the Spirit in them,He will be leading them or impelling them inwardly.

    In fact, its the same as when He said Jn 10:3-4

    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

    Those He was lifted Up for, He knows them, and eventually He calls them by their Name and Leadeth them !

    That word leadeth is the word exago:

    to lead out and to fetch out Acts 16:37

    The word is actually Two words combined ek =out of, from, by, away from and agō = to lead, take with one

    a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal

    He fetches out or leads out from their Lost state and brings them to their destination.

    But notice the word lead. That is what draw means as well in Jn 12:32.

    But also Jesus said He putteth them forth Jn 10:4. Its the verb ekballō and means :

    to cause a thing to move straight on its intended goal

    to lead one forth or away somewhere with a force which he cannot resist

    This is describing His Irresistible Call of His Own Sheep by Name Jn 10:3

    After He does that, He goes before them as their Shepherd and Leader and they do follow Him ! Jn 10:4

    And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

    That word follow akoloutheō:

    to follow one who precedes, join him as his attendant, accompany him

    2) to join one as a disciple, become or be his disciple

    a) side with his party

    They become His disciples, His converts to His Teachings and ways, so Believers.

    Lets look at one more passage Jn 10:16

    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Notice, other Sheep He must bring. That word bring agō:

    to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind. This again is same as drawing Jn 12:32 metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

    So the All Men of Jn 12:32 are all of His Sheep. In the original it just reads, will draw all unto me. The word men was added by the Translators, but its all His Sheep from out of the jewish fold and the gentile fold, so He means in Jn 10:16.

    Now is this the Christ you believe in ? The Christ who says that if He be Lifted Up [speaking of His death for His Sheep Jn 10:15] that He will draw all of them to Himself, and they shall follow Him, Believe in Him, become His disciple, and be for Him and His Gospel cause. Not one of them shall be Lost, because He found them all ! 14
     
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    Because of the Blood of Christ !

    Heb 13:20-21

    20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

    21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Its because of the Blood of Christ , that sealed and ratified the Eternal Compact of the Divine Counsel, that those The Shepherd Surety died for [Obviously His Sheep] that they shall be made perfect in every good work, to do His Will, which worketh in them that which is well pleasing in His Sight, through Jesus Christ, that is His Blood accomplishment, for each of the Sheep He died for, those things must be applied to them based upon His Blood !
     
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    Makes us Spiritual Servants/Priests !

    Rev 1:5-6

    5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
    to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    One of the reasons why the scripture teaches that the death of Christ alone has efficacious Saving results is seen here in the above passage. and to Him is ascribed Glory and Dominion for it. By His Blood [Death] those He died in the stead of, were washed and freed from their sins, and made [converted] to a Kingdom of Priests to His God. That word made ποιέω:


    I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

    Hence by His Blood He made, constructed, manufactured, caused to be, those He washed, into a Kingdom of Spiritual Priests unto God !

    The word manufacture means the making or producing of anything; generation as in Regeneration or Birth !

    This must be ascribed to His Dominion.

    Conversion to God His Father into a Royal and Spiritual Priesthood is to His Glory, its the effect of His Blood.

    This is why Peter writes 1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree = The washing and loosing us from our sins in His Blood

    should live unto righteousness= Made into Spiritual Priests for God

    by whose stripes ye were healed.= The same as His Blood/ Death
    So Rev 1:6 and 1 Pet 2:24 agree in the Saving Accomplishment of the Death of Christ alone, in and of itself !
     
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    All for whom Christ has died, they no more owe for sin the wages of death, for it is written Rom 6:23

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Just as Justice owed them death through their sin in Adam, Christ paid that debt for them, now Justice owes them Life from the dead, not because of anything they did or did not do, but strictly through the Lord Jesus Christ, what He did for them.

    You see, all for whom He died, all of their sins against God's law, past and present and future, the Penalty of Death, even Eternal Death, has already been endured and paid in full unto the uttermost farthing.

    God has been satisfied in His Justice regard to them; But now in light of this Justice Satisfied, Both God and His Law and Grace demand the bestowal of Eternal Life, or to be made alive from death ! Eph 2:1,5

    5 Even when we were dead in sins[Because of the wages of sin Rom 6:23], hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

    This word quickened is the greek word syzōopoieō which means:

    to make one alive together

    a) of Christians, with Christ

    Its made of the word zōopoieō which means:

    to produce alive, begat or bear living young

    2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

    And that is God's Justice answering to what Christ has done for them in taking away their sins which sins is what merited their death in sin in the first place. Now that that issue has been resolved [Christ died for their sins, which sins brought about their spiritual death] Justice demands that they be made alive, just as much as it did demand their death for sin !

    Lets remember, that all that perfect obedience Christ rendered to God's Law as it should be, He rendered it not for Himself, but for all those He died for, and as a Free Gift, that perfect obedience is imputed to their account, and that Righteousness of His, charged to them, demands Life, for with Righteousness is Life Prov 12:28

    In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

    John Gill writes on this verse:

    So those Christ died for are credited with Two Blessings because of Him or through Him: Full and Perfect Obedience to God's Law [Righteousness] and full satisfaction paid for every last one of their sins they did commit against God's Law, in their head Adam Rom 5:12 and in their own Persons, So Justice and Truth and Grace demands that they Live, be made alive,and that everlastingly. For through Christ they have done what the Rich Young ruler was not able to do to enter into Life Matt 19:16-17

    16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

    17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.15
     
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    It makes them Perfect before God !

    The death of Christ alone, for all whom He died, which was only for His Church, His Body, it perfected them all before God's Law and Justice.

    Heb 10:14

    14 For by one offering/His Death he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    This word perfected is the greek word teleioō and means:

    to make perfect, complete

    a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end

    2) to complete (perfect)

    a) add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full

    b) to be found perfect

    3) to bring to the end (goal) proposed

    4) to accomplish

    a) bring to a close or fulfilment by event

    1) of the prophecies of the scriptures

    Its used once as consecrate Heb 7:28

    Now the AMP bible captures the Truth and meaning of the word in Heb 10:14 by rendering it:

    14 For by a single offering He has forever completely cleansed and perfected those who are consecrated and made holy.


    In this one offering of Christ, for those He died for, before God they are absolutely complete and entire by the Offering See Col 2:10, consisting in the remission of all their sins, and the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness ! Its Christ's Perfection imputed and the Grounds of their Perfection before God, a free act of Grace !
     
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    I love what you are writing, but let me pick a tiny nit here:

    Hebrews 9 says nothing at all about God's wrath ... and certainly nothing about God's wrath against OUR SINS.

    The word wrath (G2372) appears only once in the whole book of Hebrews: "By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he persevered, as though seeing Him who is unseen." [Hebrews 11:27 NASB]

    Where is the evidence that "wrath" (G2372) is not something stored for those whose sins are not forgiven, only (like "judgement" in John 3:18). Why does the "propitiation" of the sin not negate the need for wrath?

    I am seeking clear scripture pointing to a wrath against saints being transferred. I read about it OFTEN in commentaries, but have yet to see it mentioned in scripture verses. So I continue to search for proof of what I have been TOLD, or proof that what I was told is incorrect.

    I offer a hypothesis, which is nothing more than a GUESS to be tested and affirmed or rejected (by scripture):
    Jesus did not remove God's Wrath from us, Jesus removed Our Sin ... without Our Sin, there is no need for Wrath.

    • He made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. [2 Corinthians 5:21 NASB20]
    • Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God [did:] sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and [as an offering] for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [Romans 8:1-4 NASB20]
    • "You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" [Matthew 3:7 NASB20] [Luke 3:7 NASB20]
    • But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, [Romans 2:5 NASB20]
    • for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. [Romans 4:15 NASB20]
    • Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath [of God] through Him. [Romans 5:9 NASB20]
     
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    Jesus dealt with both, the sins of the elect, and the wrath of God for them. Christs death was a propitiation, that had to do with satisfying Gods wrath against sin.

    The none elect who Christ didnt die for are under Gods wrath now Jn 3:36

    36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    This cannot be true of any sinner Christ died for,

    Also its for unatoned sin that Gods wrath comes on some Col 3:5-6

    5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

    6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

    So if Christ put away our sins, Heb 9 there can be no wrath for them. Does that make reasonable sense to you ?
     
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    It bears fruit unto God !

    The Death of Christ, in and of itself, bears fruit unto God ! Jesus says in the 12th of Jn 12:24,32-33

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    Jesus was indicating His Death and what it would effect, fruit unto God; that being all kinds of men shall be drawn or led to Him by it.

    That word draw is the greek word helkō and means:

    to draw, drag off

    2) metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel


    As a result of His Death, the fruit of it will be that all for whom He died will be lead or impeled to Him.

    What that mean is this, remember Jesus words here Jn 10:3-4

    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

    Well the word draw is another way of saying " He leadeth them out " That word leadeth means: fetch out,to cause to come; bring

    Notice also it says that He putteth forth His own Sheep ! The word bring forth is the greek ekballō:

    to bring out of, to draw or bring forth

    Jn 10:3 says that He calleth His own Sheep by Name. When He does that He puts forth His Power, and they [His Sheep, His People] are made willing in that day

    to lead one forth or away somewhere with a force which he cannot resist

    This is the irresistible call of the Elect or the Sheep to follow Christ.

    Ps 110:3

    3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

    And as a result of Him putting them forth, they follow Him, or become His Disciple. That word follow is the greek word akoloutheō:

    to follow one who precedes, join him as his attendant, accompany him

    2) to join one as a disciple, become or be his disciple

    a) side with his party

    And thats what the Death of Christ promised to do in bearing fruit, it produces followers, believers, disciples, learners of Christ, and thats a guarantee !

    Thats what Jesus promised to do by His Death, draw all men to Himself, not all men without exception, but all of His Sheep from all nations !

    If we do not believe this or understand it, or deny it, we are unbelievers, and have no ideal at all what Christ's Death accomplished, it bears fruit unto God, it makes Converts to True Christianity !
     
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    It bears fruit unto God !2

    Now Paul writes of the same thing, the great purpose of Christ's Death Rom 7:4

    4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


    All this transpires as a result of the Body of Christ, meaning His Death. Remember those who Christ represented when He died, when He rose from the dead it was for [because of] their Justification Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.


    And the Just or Justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    All for whom He represented in His Obedience, shall be made Just or Righteous Rom 5:19


    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    That obedience includes His Death, or " The Body of Christ" and by it those He died for are made Righteous experientially by New Birth !

    So in other words, for those whom He died to bear fruit, it is He Himself bearing fruit from His dying Jn 12:24,32-33

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    The fruit those bear for whom He died is Faith, for Faith in Christ is a fruit of His Death, so is Love, Love to God and our brethren in Christ, they fruits of His Death, Peace, the Peace we have is a fruit of Christ's Death, the same with Joy, its a fruit of Christ's Death. The Joy and Peace of believing is a fruit of Christ's death Rom 15:13

    Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

    Yes, the Joy, Peace, and believing are all fruits of Christ's Death. In case you have not noticed, these are all fruit of the Spirit which all for whom He died receives of in New Birth by His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    3 Praised (honored, blessed) be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah)! By His boundless mercy we have been born again to an ever-living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,AMP

    By New Birth we enter into the Kingdom of God Rom 14:17

    17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    Thats the same Peace and Joy through Believing as in Rom 15:13

    13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

    Notice also the Holy Ghost is Named in both Verses, because we have been Born of Him.

    Yes, all those fruits produced out of the believer, are actually His fruit produced from His being that corn of wheat that fell to the ground and died Jn 12:24

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    Now, if all for whom He died for as that corn of wheat, if they all do not bear fruit of Faith in Him Rom 7:4

    4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    Because Faith Joins them to Him in Fellowship 1 Cor 1:9

    9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    That fellowship denotes that marriage of Rom 7:4, its the word koinōnia:

    fellowship, association, community, communion, joint participation, intercourse

    a) the share which one has in anything, participation

    b) intercourse, fellowship, intimacy

    If all do not become married in Fellowship with the Son, then His Bride is defected, and His Death failed the Purpose of God the Father !
     
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    It is finished Jesus said !

    Jn 19:30

    When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    What did the Blessed Saviour mean by these words ? They meant quite a lot, to include the bringing in of a Everlasting Righteousness as Per Dan 9:24

    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Remember Jesus words here to John the Baptist at His Water Baptism when John would have prevented Him Matt 3:15

    15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    Jesus while here on this Earth, being made under the Law Gal 4:4, was in active obedience to all of God's Law, but not for Himself, but as Surety for His Church, His People, and it was an obedience that fulfilled all the Righteousness of the Law that God required for His People. He also bare the penalty of their sins for their Transgressions of the Law of God, beginning in Adam and then to add their personal transgressions.

    Jesus upon completion of His Obedience unto death Phil 2:8, He brought in the Everlasting Righteousness His People needed by satisfying the Law and Justice of God in their behalf.

    It was an Righteousness that would be laid to their account, on the account of all for whom He represented, So Jesus said Jn 16:7-11

    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    Pay close attention to Vs 10 . This speaks to His Once and for all finished work, that made an end of sins, finished transgression, and has for His People brought in for them a Everlasting Righteousness, that was completed by His Once and for all Offering as their Hight Priest Surety.

    This Offering once and for all satisfied God's Justice for the sins of His People, and in regards to this finished accomplishment, Ye shall see me no more.

    Under the Mosaic Levitical Priesthood, the people would see the Hight Priest once annually with the Atonement Sacrifice for the Sins of the People, and they could not be made perfect by them Heb 9:24-26

    24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

    25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

    26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

    So He goes to the Father after making that once and for all Offering for the sins of the People and He is there with that Righteousness He earned for them, and is there on their account as He is there for them Vs 24.

    Now for all whom this applies, God does in His Providence of Messengers, does send to each of them the Gospel of their Salvation, and does reveal to them that Righteousness of God that has been laid to their account and persons through Jesus Christ Rom 1:16-17. Once this Righteousness is made known to God given Faith, we are then able to live by Faith or Walk according to the Spirit, understanding that the Righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in us by Imputation, as we walk by Faith, Paul's point here Rom 8:4

    That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Please note, that this Righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in us, and not by us, having been revealed in us by the Gospel !

    It is finished for all whom Christ died, and He will give them Knowledge of it by the Gospel !
     
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    Jesus Christ the Righteous !

    1 Jn 2:1

    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    Our Surety's Righteousness is Ours If He died and rose again as our Surety Head, for it is written of the Church Jer 33:16

    In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

    The Lord Jesus Christ in this contest of 1 Jn 2 is being looked upon as the Mediator, Surety, and Representative of all He died for and was a propitiation for their sins. And so John introduces Him as Jesus Christ the Righteous, an Advocate, denoting His Legal Union with those He died. He stands as Advocate not merely as a private person, but as the Representative Head of His Church that He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25, and He being Righteous is but declaring them to be also for whom He died Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    The Righteousness of Christ here being emphasized by John is not His Essential Righteousness He has in the Godhead, being God, but its His Surety Righteousness as the God/Man, obtained in His Perfect Surety Obedience, for in that He was made Perfect Heb 5:9, He perfectly provided complete satisfaction to God's Law and Justice on their behalf, and so it follows that He is their Legal aid, counselor, advocate as Jesus Christ the Righteous;

    And He and those He died for are legally one in the eyes of the Law. His subjective legal obedience and Righteousness that He accrued by His active obedience to God's Law while here on earth, has been placed to their account, and they by it, are accounted Righteous as He is Righteous before God's law and Justice, and on that premise He is their Advocate; Even if they are sinners by nature or in a state of sin, because He died for them He is still their advocate, for He intercedes for the Transgressors that He died in behalf of Isa 53:12

    12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Because He bare their sin ! So John is saying that all for whom He died has an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous and in Fact their Righteousness before God 1 Cor 1:30.

    Even as sinners and enemies, those Christ has died for, are reconciled to God by Christ's death while being so, hence another proof that as unbelievers, He, based upon His Death in their behalf, is their Advocate, Jesus Christ the Righteous.
     
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    Jesus Christ the Righteous !

    You see, all for whom Christ died, He died for having all their guilt and transgressions imputed to Him, So on the other hand, all that He in His suffering obedience unto death, is imputed to them. The guilt of their sins were reckoned upon Him as though He was personally guilty of them; And likewise What He did in all of His Obedience to God's Law and Justice, in their behalf, has been reckoned to them as if they personally done it themselves; Thus having Christ's Surety Righteousness charged to them as they obeyed in Christ, as they disobeyed in Adam, Adam disobeyed and made them sinners, but Christ obeyed and them Righteous Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    The reason why Paul uses the future tense " Shall be made Righteous" is Because they are born into the world experiencing first the effects of Adam's disobedience, and are born sinners, but because Christ was their Surety, they shall be born again afterwards to experience the effects of Christ's Obedience. However, it must be understood that God will not constitute anyone Righteous whom He does not first reckons as Righteous. ! 15
     
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    All for whom Christ died are by that one death of His alone, apart from anything else, made Righteous or Just, for that is the teaching of scripture in the OT Isa 53:11

    11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    11 After this ordeal, he will see satisfaction.
    By his knowing [pain and sacrifice],
    my righteous servant makes many righteous;
    it is for their sins that he suffers.CJB


    and the NT Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him).

    As the sins of those He died for were charged to Him, His sacrifice paid off their sin debt against God, and satisfied His Law and Justice. Now in accomplishing that, His Perfect obedience to God as a Man, made for them He died for, a Righteousness, meaning that His Perfect obedience / righteousness up to and including the Cross Phil 2:8, is accounted to them, charged to their account.

    This is in the same manner as their sins were accounted to Him, and thats the exchange of reconciliation Rom 5:10.

    In this exchange of imputation, Justice demands that those whose sins were charged to Christ, that His righteousness and law keeping obedience be imputed to them.

    So one not being transacted would cancel out the other, meaning if, His Righteousness / Obedience is not charged to them, then their sins of disobedience could not be charged to Him, consequently giving Him no purpose or reason to die at all; Hence Paul states the exchange as it legally is in God's Law and Justice 2 Cor 5:21

    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    21 Christ didn’t have any sin. But God made him become sin for us. So we can be made right with God because of what Christ has done for us.NIRV

    This merely means, His Surety obedience as God Man, which is His Perfect obedience to God in behalf of those He lived and died for as Man, it is imputed or charged to them, in the very same manner as our or their sins were imputed or charged to Him. Thats the Gospel, the Word of Reconciliation, for we cannot preach it without elucidating the stated facts of this reconciliation or exchange, whereby all for whom He died or was made sin for, are by that alone made Righteous and approved of God !
     
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    Shall be saved by His Life !

    Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    All for whom Christ died, shall be made alive by His Resurrection. Those in organized religion have no clue of the saving effects of Christ's Death, as He died as the Head of the Body, His Church Eph 5:25; And as a vindication of the success of His death as He satisfied God's Law and Justice for them, He was raised up from the dead for their Justification Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification or

    25 Who was betrayed and put to death because of our misdeeds and was raised to secure our justification (our acquittal), [making our account balance and absolving us from all guilt before God].AMP

    And its by or through His Resurrection from the dead they are begotten again 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    3 Praise God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is so good, and by raising Jesus from death, he has given us new life and a hope that lives on. CEV

    3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God has great mercy, and because of his mercy he gave us a new life. This new life brings us a living hope through Jesus Christ’s resurrection from death.ERV

    Now upon His Resurrection, He did also ascend, and of course He ascended as the vindicated one in behalf of those for whom sins He died or was delivered for Rom 4:25, and He gives Grace to each of them according to measure of his Gift Eph 4:7-8

    7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

    8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

    Each person for whom Christ died, His Body Members, the Church, is given Grace and Gifts to serve His Body in the ordained work God has already prepared Eph 2:10

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Each person Christ died for was in the hope of their calling Eph 4:4

    4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    Every member of that Body He is the Saviour of as Per Eph 5:23

    23 For the husband is the head of the wife, eeven as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

    Will be called in the Hope of that Calling. Now the Grace given to each member of that body for whom Christ died, according to the measure of Christ's Gift, is also what Paul means here Rom 5:15

    15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    That Grace which is said to abound to many by the Gift of Christ, is the same as that said to be given here Eph 4:7

    7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

    They all for whom He died, shall be saved by His Life !
     
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    They are raised with Him also !

    All those Christ died for as their Representative Head, they also, as He was raised from the dead [on their behalf Rom 4:25] by the Glory of the Father Per Rom 6:4

    Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    They also were raised together with Him so that they can walk in the Newness of Life, being raised from the Spiritual dead; Thats why its written in 1 Pet 1:3, that those Christ died for are begotten again, which reflects the fact that they were in Him when He was raised from the Dead as their Head and Saviour Representative, and by this New Birth, we begin a New Life, and we do not continue to sin that Grace may abound, simply because in the New Born Again Nature we cannot sin, being born of God 1 Jn 3:9

    9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1 Jn 5:18

    18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    Please Note. This New Life from being begotten again is not the life the believer has in Adam which continually sins ! However this Life of being born of God cannot sin !

    Notice Col 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    See that ? When was the believer risen with Christ ? It was precisely at the same Time Christ was raised from the dead as the Head of the Body.

    The believer did not cooperate with God in his being raised from the dead, he was raised representatively with Christ.

    Paul uses the aorist indicative passive here Ye were raised. He uses the same here Eph 2:6 but the active voice, because God did the raising, and those Christ died for were raised up together with Christ when God did they raising.

    And the believer believed as a consequence of that Fact of being raised up with Christ, Col 2:12

    12 Buried with him in baptism[His Death], wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith [faithfulness] of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

    12 you were buried along with him by being immersed; and in union with him, you were also raised up along with him by God’s faithfulness that worked when he raised Yeshua from the dead. CJB


    Faith here should be rendered faithfulness, as its the Father's Faithfulness that raises up His Son from the dead. Christ always had an eye to His Father's Faithfulness to do that Ps 16:10

    10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    Ps 89:24

    But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. See Exaltation of Christ Phil 2:8-9

    But also, Faith is produced in all those Christ died for, its produced by God's Power that raised up Christ from the dead Eph 1:19

    19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

    Thats why Peter says we are begotten again to a lively Hope 1 Pet 1:3. Hope is the Twin Brother of Faith, so Faith is the substance of things hoped for !

    All who come to Faith and or Hope in Christ, only make manifest that they were raised together with Him, when God raised Christ from the dead !
     
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    Redemption is Salvation !

    Many today in organized religion would make a difference between Salvation and Redemption, in God saving one and God redeeming one; But there really is no difference at all, If God Redeems us then He saves us, simple as that. God and the Lamb are Universally praised as to the effects, accomplishments of Christ's Redeeming Death Rev 5:9-10

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Here the redemption effected makes those Christ died for God's purchased possession as in Titus 2:14

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    The NAS reads:

    14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

    The word redeemed here can also mean saved or ransomed, He saved us unto God or ransomed us unto God, all of these are Salvation Words, Synonyms:

    For Salvation is meant here Lk 1:68

    68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

    The word lutrósis:

    (in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release

    Now the greek word Salvation means:

    welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety.

    If one has been redeemed, they have been saved. The terms are as interchangeable as one saying Let me ride in your car and one saying let me ride in your automobile !

    Notice about Israel saved Ex 14:30

    Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

    Israel redeemed 1 Chron 17:21

    And what one nation in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?

    So when Paul writes of Redemption Eph 1:7

    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    It means Eph 1:7

    7 In whom we have Salvation through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; !
     
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