the attributes of god

I did Van. But you refuse to answer my post. The answer is in there.

 

And "remember no more" doesn't mean that it isn't in your knowledge. Words have meanings.

 

Why won't you answer my post Van.

Words have meanings. That is right. You have changed the meaning of omniscience. But words have meanings, so why change the meaning of the word.

There are figures of speech, metaphors and similes, for example. They need to be recognized as such. If they are not one comes up with an unbiblical view of God.

When Jesus said: "I am the door," what did he mean? Is he a rectangular block of wood? Is that what is meant? Words have meanings Van?

When Jesus said: "I am the bread of life," what did he mean? Is he a loaf of bread? What does bread look like? Does bread look like the incarnate God. Words have meanings, Van. Will you consider that there are metaphors in the Bible that we must recognize as metaphors?

In our own contemporary English language we use them every day.
I gave you a good example. I will give it again:

What does it mean to "bury the hatchet"?
If you answer that question, then I will tell you what it means when God says "I will remember them no more," or, "I will bury them in the deepest sea," or "I will hide them behind my back," or:

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. (Psalms 103:12)
--That one is a simile.
--Words have meanings, Van.

"It is easier for a camel to through the eye of a needle"
--What was Jesus speaking about then? Stainless steel needles hadn't even been invented. But we still must find out the meaning of the words involved in the idiom and then the meaning of the idiom itself.

 

Yes, I understand that is your position. And my post was to ask you to provide answers with regard to the implications of that position. Can you please do that?

Correct. The bible doesn't tell you HOW, thus the speculations that DHK, Jhb and myself are offering as possible options as to HOW God chooses to remember no more while maintaining at least some semblance of at least normal ability to know and communicate with us is at least as credible as your speculation. So, you can drop the "God is not a liar" line, please.

Fine, but be willing to deal with the implications of those speculations and answer the questions I posed in my last post.

How can he know your heart/mind if he doesn't even know what you know? Seems really absurd brother.

Tell, me if your friend or spouse that you sinned against says something like, "I've forgiven you, I've forgotten about it, let's move on." Do you call them a liar too since in reality they can recall the sin? Do you take everything they say to an absurd extreme and assume they can delete knowledge from their minds? Of course you don't, so don't do the same thing to God based on what you have even admitted is speculative.

 

You still haven't addressed the definition of "remember."

 

It is not a false doctrine. Anything less than total omniscience robs God of his deity.

This is not the biblical view but only your view. It is beyond the scope of orthodoxy. What other reliable commentaries believe the same? The only thing you back your doctrine up with is your own changed definitions. Thus it becomes circular reasoning.

I will stick to the KJV if you like and show you that God is eternally the same, immutable, and omniscient--defined exactly as the etymology of the word says--all knowing.

From our perspective the answer is always the same. God doesn't change. He is omniscient. He knows all. He knows the number of hairs on your head and on everyone else's head. How is that possible unless he is omniscient? He knows at any given time when a sparrow falls to the ground. How is that possible unless he is omniscient?

Just what do you mean when you say that statement.
The Bible means what it says. God is totally omniscient.

 

Van, does God know what men think?

 

BTW Van, just as an aside.

I remember you had a problem with the translation of Acts 15:18:

Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. (Acts 15:18)

--Let me address that for you, if I may. It is the right translation. The problem is the text from which it is translated. I use the KJV, and I believe the TR or at least the Majority Text is that group of manuscripts where the Word of God is preserved for us today. I don't want a debate on this. That is my conviction. In other words I am not a Westcott-Hort man. I do not favor the Critical Text. So I have provided you the actual TR Greek for this verse, and then below that the W-H for the same. You can see the difference. Most modern translations are translated from texts that are based on W-H texts, and thus the verse is shortened. The KJV contains the full verse. It is not a mistranslation.


gnwsta ap aiwnoV estin tw qew panta ta erga autou (Acts 15:18) TR


gnwsta ap aiwnoV (Acts 15:18) W-H


(I don't have the software to put it into actual Greek letters)

 

When God says He will remember our sins no more it is because there are no sins to remember. He has blotted them out. They are gone. They have been expunged from our record. The blood of Christ doesn't just cover our sins as did the sacrificial blood of animals. It washes them away and we become white as snow, without sin. There is no sin for God to remember.



Acts 3:19 Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

 

Just can't admit when your wrong can you. You haven't address "remember no more" other than misrepresenting. You add to the definition of "remember no more" to mean that God has no knowledge of the sins. That's not what the Scripture teaches. So until you can prove that "remember no more" means that all knowledge of the event is not possible, then you cannot use this as your argument. That by the way would leave your arguments to about...say...0

 

I made no false charge against you.

They say, “Come, let us wipe them out as a nation;
let the name of Israel be remembered no more!
Point for me. Do you think people won't have any knowledge of Israel?

Never said anything against this. Nice red herring though.

so god doesn't know their name anymore?

No, again you fail in your understanding of the term "remember." Go grab a dictionary and look it up. You are making the definition of "remember no more" to mean that the knowledge vanishes from the mind of God and that's simply not the meaning of the term. Even if I don't remember something, I still have the knowledge of the something. This is something you have failed to address but have just sidestepped it.

 

Jbh, just forgive Van and remember it no more. :type:

 

Because in ALL of them, remember no more doesn't mean that you don't have any knowledge of the event/person. You can quote 30 more if you like, but you have yet to prove that "remember no more" in these verses(or anywhere for that matter) means to have no more knowledge of.