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The Biblical Doctrine of Divorce

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  1. superwoman8977

    superwoman8977 New Member

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    Okay what part do you not understand I prayed for my marriage, prayed for my husband he wants it to be over, he wants to move on. I have no choice in the matter but to sign the papers and let him move on. God has something much better for me. I prayed and was still and waited for God to move mountains in all of this, its apparent that thats not His will. I have lived apart for almost 2 years we have lived apart and every day in those 2 years I prayed over my marriage over him and finally when he filed this was my answer. He does not want to be with me, basically does not want his kids. Is it fair to me? Nope but thats how he wants things. Yeah I could sit there and contest the divorce for the next 5-10 years but why keep going when there is nothing left to save and he doesnt want me he wants his girlfriend? you better believe its people like you that make me feel like a 2nd class citizen telling me to keep on keeping on in my marriage I have for almost 2 years, been faithful to him from the day I said I do and he walked away, not me. Why then dont I deserve to have someone who loves me and wants to be with me and respect me and treat me with the Love of Christ--yeah I think after being alone for almost 2 years I have found that guy. I didnt jump into anything we are dating, getting to know each other, he is a soldier also and works alot so we dont get to see each other much just phone calls and text messages at the moment but its cool to know someone is thinking about me when I get a text message Good Morning every morning and Good Night Sweet dreams every night.
     
    #61 superwoman8977, Jun 18, 2008
  2. Brother Shane

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    I would like to remind you that we are in a debate forum -- not your house. And if you do not want to be responded to or cough-cough "back talked", then I'd suggest you quick posting to me.
     
    #62 Brother Shane, Jun 18, 2008
  3. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    All sin is the same eh? Well, no it's not. All transgression of the Law is sin, but not all sin is the same or as bad as the other. Here are some differences made:

    "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." 1 Cor 6:18

    "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:" Proverbs 6:16

    "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." 1 John 5:16-17

    Yes, all sin is transgression against the Law according to James 2:10. But the full testimony of the Scripture shows that some sins are more severe than others. Our Lord Jesus told Pilat this at his trial.

    Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. John 19:11
     
    #63 ReformedBaptist, Jun 18, 2008
  4. LadyEagle

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    Re: God divorcing Israel:

    Don't toy with me, DHK. You know what I'm referring to. :laugh:
     
    #64 LadyEagle, Jun 18, 2008
  5. Brother Shane

    Brother Shane New Member

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    I, too, would like your scripture.

    You might want to read Romans 11:1-5 before you post such.
     
    #65 Brother Shane, Jun 18, 2008
  6. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    Actually, you shoudl learn to respect those older than you and NOT rebuke them.

    "Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;" 1 Timothy 5:1 The Greek for elder here is presbyteros and can be used to refer to an older person. And in the context is how it should be taken. Look at verse 2

    The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

    You are to intreat your elders. The Greek here is parakaleō which means to make an entreaty. You teaching to older persons should be that of exhorting, comforting, and encouraging. You haven't done this Shane, and that's why you got the reaction you did.
     
    #66 ReformedBaptist, Jun 18, 2008
  7. donnA

    donnA Active Member

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    I suggest if you want to mix with aduklts, you grow up, and show some respect.
     
    #67 donnA, Jun 18, 2008
  8. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    From what you have shared, your husband commited adultery and broken the covenant he made with you. Your free.
     
    #68 ReformedBaptist, Jun 18, 2008
  9. donnA

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    Guess shane is dosobeying this scripture, and trying to make excuses as to why it's ok for him to do so.
     
    #69 donnA, Jun 18, 2008
  10. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    The heart is a factory of excuses to justify our sins.
     
    #70 ReformedBaptist, Jun 18, 2008
  11. DHK

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    So let him move on.
    You do have a choice. You don't have to sign divorce papers. God may have something better for you, but not in a state of remarriage. If you remarry Jesus says you shall be called an adulteress. In God's sight you will always be married to that one man until he dies.
    Much of life is not fair. Stop looking at "me" and look at the Lord. Never mind what your husband does, and consider what Christ would have you do. Surely he does have a ministry for you. Why is it necessary for you to through a divorce and/or seek another husband? Why is that so important?
    There is a difference between separation and divorce. Let him do as he will. You can remain single and separated and take a stand for the Lord. You can take custody of your children and raise them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord.
    "Why don't I deserve someone..." Because the Bible says that it is wrong. That is the simple reason. "She shall be called an adultress." Here is another Scripture where Paul puts it plainly:

    Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

    Not until your husband is dead are you permitted to marry. This is New Testament teaching. It is the same teaching that Jesus gives in Mark 10. The teaching is quite clear. Remain single and raise your children up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Be a Godly mother. The Lord will give you grace to do so.
     
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  12. DHK

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    Sorry, you will have to be more specific in the passage you are referring to.
    Most of the time it was Israel that left the Lord, not the other way around.
     
    #72 DHK, Jun 18, 2008
  13. donnA

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    What is the world coming too, I agree with DHK again.
     
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  14. DHK

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    The Scripture makes no provision.

    Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
     
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  15. Brother Shane

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    You took that out of context as well (should I expect anything more from you?). Read 1 Timothy 5:17 and you'll see that "elder" does not simply refer to "just older people." In the scripture named above, it signifies an "officer" of the church. How many instances do you think there were when a young man were to rebuke an older man in the church -- especially a father? Read on and you'll see that he should be treated as a father -- with great respect.

    The only one out of line is you sir, who is stating Jesus permitted divorce when He did not!
     
    #75 Brother Shane, Jun 18, 2008
  16. DHK

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    The Scripture you gave deals more with the consequences of sin.
    All sin is a transgression of the law, and in that respect it is the same. Sin is sin.
     
    #76 DHK, Jun 18, 2008
  17. ReformedBaptist

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    Why not just look it up yourself? Have you never read...

    1They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

    2Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.

    3Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

    4Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth?

    5Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.

    6The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

    7And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.

    8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    9And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
     
    #77 ReformedBaptist, Jun 18, 2008
  18. ReformedBaptist

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    hahaha. Jesus specifically said one sin was GREATER than another. Is this how you justify it? wow. men's traditions are hard to break.
     
    #78 ReformedBaptist, Jun 18, 2008
  19. DHK

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    Does this sound like a divorce, or like adultery:

    Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    It is grace; it is love. It is the opposite of divorce and adultery. Read verse 26: "And so all Israel shall be saved." What adultery?
     
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  20. DHK

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    The question remains: In what respect is one sin greater than another?
    Why is it greater than another?

    Do you then believe in mortal sins, venial sins, etc.?
    Have you taken upon yourself RCC theology?

    Sin is sin.
    Whoso shall keep the whole law and offend in one point is guilty of breaking all the law (James 2:10).
     
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