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THE Christmas Special - and it’s 3 for the price of 1

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Dec 12, 2019.

  1. Samuels

    Samuels Member
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    Looks like I’m feeling especially generous this Christmas season!

    The Trinity before and after the Incarnation
    In the beginning, the Word was with Father God (long before Jesus was born).
    BEFORE the Incarnation, the Word was the Second Person of the Trinity.
    AFTER the Incarnation, Jesus was the Second Person of the Trinity.
    Looks like the Second Person of the Trinity changed from being fully God to being a God-Man.

    Who plus Mary produced the Baby Jesus?
    The Word came from heaven and “became flesh”, i.e. Jesus (John 1:14).
    The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and overshadowed her (Luke 1:35).
    The Holy Spirit caused the virgin Mary to become pregnant (Matthew 1:18).
    The Baby Jesus was conceived BY the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:20).
    So, that’s why Jesus was to be called “the Son of God” (Luke 1:35).
    So, I’m asking again … What’s up with Jesus’ double “father”-hood?

    How did God choose His elect?
    Romans 9, etc. makes it abundantly clear that God elected some (and not others).
    I.E. He chose to pour out His incredible gift of grace upon some (and not others).
    Ephesians 2:8-9, etc. say that none of man’s works were part of His decision.
    And this is because: before the foundation of the world,
    God saw the condition of everyone’s hearts …
    and IMO, on this basis alone, He chose some (and not others).
    Do the several OT verses, which say that God desires to live with
    those who have humble and repentant hearts, explain everything?

    Merry Christmas, to y’all
    … from “the 3 for 1 guy”
     
  2. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

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    Please post the Scriptures that you see declaring this.

    I see these:

    "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and t[hat] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually." ( Genesis 6:5 ).

    " Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?"
    ( Proverbs 20:10 )

    " For [there is] not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not." ( Ecclesiastes 7:20 )

    " The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?" ( Jeremiah 17:9 ).

    " For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    23 all these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
    ( Mark 7:21-23 ).

    " And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32 who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. "
    ( Romans 1:28-32 )

    " What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
    10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    11 there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
    13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:
    14 whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
    15 their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
    16 destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
    17 and the way of peace have they not known:
    18 there is no fear of God before their eyes."
    ( Romans 3:9-18 ).

    Since every man is a sinner, and none of us can say that we have a good heart, I'd like to know where you see God's word declaring anyone as righteous outside of His Son's work of atonement for them and making them a new creature in Christ ( 2 Corinthians 5:17 ).

    Every man's heart is corrupt and wicked, before He makes creates a clean heart in them.



    Thanks in advance.
     
  3. Samuels

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    You know that God was pleased with several:
    Abram, Job, Mary, Zach, Liz. etc. (and how about David?)
    Cannot other than these have humble and contrite hearts?
    ... who are the type of people God desires to dwell with.
    This is not rocket science ... not even brain surgery.
     
  4. Dave G

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    Yes, they can.

    When God creates a clean heart in a person ( Ezekiel 11:19, Ezekiel 36:26 ).
    It's called being "born again".
     
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