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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by stilllearning, Jun 14, 2010.

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  1. sag38

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    Stilllearning first says,

    Hello everyone
    Why does everyone here insist on always making this a KJVO issue, every time.

    My OP never said anything about the KJV;
    Here is what I said.........
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    “Has God preserved His Word in one book, that we can hold in our hands and know that we have a complete and accurate copy of it?”
    The issue, is having a simple respect for God’s Word.


    Then he says,

    Hi C4K
    Funny story, but someone who is truly a “Conservative Independent Baptist”, wouldn’t support the modern English versions .


    Does anyone else smell a rat?
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  2. stilllearning

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    Hello C4K

    As I have been saying, the main issue is God’s Word and this is not a “translation” issue, but a “respect” issue.
    Having or lacking respect, for God’s Word.

    The list you gave of reasons Baptist have separated, boils down to a person’s personal respect for God’s Word......

    Points of Calvinism....This shows a lack of respect for John 3:16
    Standards of personal separation....This shows a lack of respect for 2 Corinthians 6:14
    Hair length....This shows a lack of respect for 1 Corinthians 11:14
    Women in trousers....This shows a lack of respect for Romans 10:3
    Mixed swimming....This shows a lack of respect for Matthew 5:28
    Hats on women....This shows a lack of respect for 1 Corinthians 11:15
    Going to movies....This shows a lack of respect for Titus 1:15
    Wire rimmed glasses....This shows a lack of respect for John 8:32
    Wearing jeans....This shows a lack of respect for Romans 13:14
    Liberalism....This shows a lack of respect for Romans 12:2
    Evolution....This shows a lack of respect for Genesis 1:1-ff
    Concepts of local vs universal church....This shows a lack of respect for Colossians 1:24,25
    Music and worship styles....This shows a lack of respect for 1 Corinthians 14:40
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    If people would simply respect God’s Word, we would all get along.
     
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    I'm sorry, but what is this whole "wire rimmed glasses" thing?
     
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    I think he just picked random verses as most of them had nothing to do with what he had listed.
     
  5. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I am sorry, your application of scripture has me totally befuddled. I just don't see what those verses in relation to those topics have to do with respecting God's word. Are you really saying that wearing jeans is a matter of fulfilling the lust of the flesh?

    You did make this a translation issue with this point

    'i.e. Has God preserved His Word in one book, that we can hold in our hands and know that we have a complete and accurate copy of it?'

    Later on you said that Conservative Independent Baptists would have nothing to do with modern English versions.

    Is this debate about translations or not?

    God does not address translations in His word. A respect for God's word would be that translations should not be an issue which divides us. You have sadi in this thread that those who respect God's word involves picking one version and sticking with it. I don't separate with a brother over his choice of translation. Would you?

    In regard to respecting God's word would you accept this statement?

     
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  6. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I would have to agree. Here is the answer (in SL's translation of choice) to wearing jeans for example:

    'But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lust thereof'
     
  7. TomVols

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    FWIW, I know of know CIBs who are KJVO. None.

    And you say the KJV isn't the issue?

    Telling the truth is something that's kinda important. Look into it. :thumbs:
     
  8. stilllearning

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    Hi TomVols

    Please don’t call me a liar.

    This thread is about a respect for God’s Word, but from the very first response, those who have lost respect for God’s Word, have been trying to hijack this thread.

    So forgive me, for making “one” brief post, to respond to them.
     
  9. sag38

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    Tom was being nice. I'll be a little more blunt. Your intellectual dishonesty stinks.

    By the way who are you to suggest that because someone doesn't agree with you about Bible onlyism that he or she has lost respect for God's word? Your arrogance is blaring. Get the beam out of your own eye before you start trying to get the NASB out of mine.
     
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    I have the utmost respect for God's word in all its forms, be it written or spoken. You, however, disrespect His word by discounting it when it is not in the form of the KJV.

    Pot, meet kettle.
     
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    So, what Baptist groups do not respect the word of God?

    I have the utmost respect for it and am grateful that God provides translators to give it to us in modern, as well and Old English, Early English, and Early Modern English.

    Anyhow, could you give us a few historical examples where Baptists have splintered over respect for the word of God?

    BTW, SL, you showed great disrespect for the word of God in the statement I was forced to delete in an earlier post.

    Just to clarify your position on respect for God's word could you answer the following please?

     
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    Just what exactly does that mean?
     
  13. stilllearning

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    Good morning C4K

    Please let me know, which post, you were forced to delete?

    As for your question...........
    Yes.
    If that same translation had been overwhelmingly accepted by God’s Spirit filled people for hundreds of years.
    (Which is the case with the KJV.)

    There I said it again;
    If everyone here wants to force this thread to be about the KJV, so be it.
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    For anyone to accept a man, changing the Bible(any man of any education), than that person has lost some respect for God’s Word.

    God’s Word NEVER changes, yet over the last 120 years or so, more and more Christians have been accepting changes being made to the English Bible.

    This has always been a point of contention, that is found to be at the root, of the vast majority of disagreements Christians have had.
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    On the one side, we have those Christians, who love and respect God’s Word to the point, that they will live by it, no matter what.

    But on the other side, we have those Christians, who are so afraid of being accused of being anti-intellectual, that they are willing to sit by and let men, do what ever they want to God’s Word, in the name of enlightenment.

    This really isn’t enlightenment at all, it is darkness; Spiritual darkness.
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    I just praise the LORD, that I don’t care what people think or say about me.
     
  14. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Thanks for clarifying, but you are wrong. The debate over English translations is quite new, and the insistence on one translation even newer.

    So, the translators of the KJV were actually disrespecting God's word as recorded in earlier English Bibles? If it did not change why did they do a new translation.

    Sad, I had more respect for those men than that.
     
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    Hi Radam

    You asked..........
    It means that all Calvinists, have a disrespect for God’s Word.
    And John 3:16, is just one of hundreds of examples.
    John 3:16
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”


    A belief in Unconditional Election, forces a Calvinists to twist this verse.
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    If God does love “the word”, and invites “whosoever” to receive everlasting life, then this trashes the idea of Unconditional Election.

    So they have one of two choices.
    (1) Reject Calvinism:
    (2) or disrespect this verse, and say something like........
    “This isn’t really talking about the world, but the elect.”
     
  16. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    The key to this thread is this.

    Anyone who is not sold on SL's translation of God's word and his particular interpretation of every passage does not respect God's word. If we would all just agree with 'stilllearning' everything would be fine.

    Pretty simple.
     
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    See, yet you do not understand the idea of election then. Maybe the KJV is unclear on this subject?
     
  18. stilllearning

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    Hello again C4K

    You said.......
    Some people here would say that something happening 120 years ago, should be considered relatively new.

    But the insistence on one translation(one English translation), is at the heart of my point.
    This idea that “we” should study more than one (English)translation, demonstrates a lack of respect for God’s Word.
    Because we are deciding, which parts of either translation we are going to accept as right.

    And “we”(regardless of our knowledge or education), do not have the authority to make that decision.
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    You also asked........
    Because none of the other English translations, produced to that time, were intended for mass production.
    The KJV was the first Bible, produced with the express intention of putting a Bible in every home.

    And Satan hated that.
     
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    Hi annsni

    You prove my point once again.

    You said........
    If a person finds a verse, that disagrees with their doctoral bias, they simply find another English translation, that will be more to their liking!

    [Disrespect for God's word deleted]
     
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    So you elevate your knowledge above the brilliant scholars who translated the KJV who said that a numbers of translations was profitable?

     
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