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The Cinematic Offenses of George Lucas

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  1. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    Star Wars, the episode that came to be known as "A New Hope" was by far the best of all the movies, maybe not for the special effects, which are just fine, but just for the story. I thought it was campy to turn Darth Vader into Luke's father, and unforgiveable to make Leia his sister.

    Not only that, Lucas made the birth of the Empire simultaneous with the destruction of the Jedi, which required him to put all the significant events within twenty to twenty-six years.

    Those of us who were fortunate enough to see Star Wars in theatres in 1977, can watch the movie and willingly suspend the knowledge of the fiasco that it had become. We can pop in the tape or DVD and sit back and know that:

    The Empire was old, and the Jedi coexisted with it for a generation or two before the Emporer had them exterminated.
    Darth is Vader's first name, not his title, and he was never known as Anakin.
    Darth Vader is a Jedi who killed Luke's father.
    The Clone Wars were fought long before Luke was born.
    The most intelligent life is human.
    Luke and Leia are not related.
    Han is an outlaw.
    Han shoots first.
    Jabba isn't some kind of slug.
    What's a Sith?
    And the list goes on. . .

    Which episode is your favorite, and what do you think was Lucas' biggest blunder?
     
    #1 Aaron, Oct 17, 2007
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    Ewoks. Definitely Ewoks.
     
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    George Lucas says that the story that unfolded as the movies continued to be released is what he had been planning all along... So I guess what you're saying is, the more we learned of his story, the less we liked it!

    I liked Empire Strikes Back the best, though.
     
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    Jar-Jar...
     
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    Episode III was the best, IMO. I love how the pieces fit together in the birth of Darth Vader.
     
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    What you described above is actually what I liked best. Darth Vader revealed as Luke's father, ingenious. Better yet, Luke finding out that Leia was his sister. That guy really had it rough.

    Jar Jar Binks wasn't appealing.
    Java The Hut was disgusting, but Leia made watching the scene tolerable.
     
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    // What's a Sith?//

    A chain of Wookie Burgers.
     
    #7 Ed Edwards, Oct 17, 2007
  8. Aaron

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    So Lucas planned all along that Leia would plant a wet, passionate kiss on her brother to spite Han?
     
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    Now I may be remebering this wrong, but back in 77 when the first movie came out I remember Lucas saying that this was the 4th episode of a 9 episode series and that he might eventually make the others. We now have 1-6, but it seems like Lucas is stopping now. Are there any plans to do 7-9?
     
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  10. Aaron

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    I'm sure he planned to make more, but the plot wasn't thought out before hand, as evidenced by the disjointed and nonfluid sequences. I have the original theatrical release of Star Wars on DVD. The words "IV: A New Hope" never appear. The first words that appear after "Star Wars" shrinks into the vanishing point are "It is a time of civil war. . ."
     
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    That scene always makes me cringe but if I remember correctly it wasn't all that passionate...it was just enough to make Han jealous. I'll have to watch it again tonight to "analyze" it :laugh:

    Now as far as my favorite episode...and I hate to say it...but I absolutely loved Episode III. I enjoyed seeing the transformation of Anakin into Darth Vader and I don't think they could have found a better actor than Hayden to portray him either.

    And MP...don't be knocking the ewoks!!! :laugh:
     
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    Answered my own question. That google is a powerful thing.

    http://www.starwarssequeltrilogy.com/

    Short answer - Yes, Lucas has plot lines for the sequal trilogy and plans to film them.
     
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    I thought he said this was it with the completion of Episode III :confused:

    Do you think he will sell the rights to the last three (say to Spielberg)?
     
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    Again Ed, you are a really funny guy :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    No way! He worked way too hard on the first 6 to hand off rights to someone else. I'm not sure fans would take to it well either! They both have distinct styles and I'm sure you would be able to tell if a handoff occurred.
     
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    Then do you think he was putting up a smokescreen when he stated he would make no more movies?

    I'd love to have another Star Wars movie to look forward to every few years for the next 15 years! This would carry into my son's teen years, and that would be so cool!
     
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    Oh no! It gets worse!

    #7

    In his signature style, Lucas breaks all the rules he lays down in his previous stories, to tell one that simply demands too much suspension of disbelief. Isn't a Sith lord a dark Jedi? Aren't there only two and no more? But wait, a swarm of them wearin jet packs leave ships "hidden" in the clouds (as if this technologically advanced civilization doesn't have enough radar to see through them) descend upon Cloud City and wreak havoc just to steal some ancient books.

    Where's the stealth? Where's the Jedi-type sneaking around? After all, isn't the Dark Side "hard to see?" What threat is a Dark Jedi if he can't sneak around undetected by the Jedi?

    The plot summary for Episode 8 unabashedly plagarizes Alan Dean Foster and The Splinter of the Mind's Eye, so I quit reading half-way through it.
     
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    Let's pray he does. Maybe someone can salvage this story line!:praying:
     
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    Best episode? Empire Strikes Back by far.

    Worst abuse by George Lucas? Jar Jar Binks....next only to his "cinematic masterpiece / magnus opus.... "Willow".
     
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    Set Phasers on Stun!!!

    Spock!!! Are you out of your Vulcan mind???!!

    The dirty Klingons!!! You can't trust 'um!!

    Beam me up, Scotty!!

    But all in all --- Movies 1-3 and the introduction of Hans Solo and his pirate ship, Milenial Falcon and his side kick, Chew Backa!!!!
     
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