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The collective election.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Oct 20, 2019.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    How would God in His foreknowlege not know the election of His elect individuals?
     
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    He would but that in and of itself does not make election individualistic.
     
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    Please explain why collective vs individual election is a conflict. Does it matter if God wrote the names of His elect one by one in the Lambs Book of Life or whether the names of the elect all showed up immediately?
    The fact is...God elects, chooses and predestines those who are adopted.
     
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    Of course, God knows the election of elect individuals because He is the one who elected them. God elected Phil, Susan, Ed, Amanda, and Jonathan not because He saw any future choice they made but because it pleased Him to do so. Election is individualistic but establishes a corporate group. It is individualistic because God elected individuals according to the counsel of His own will (Ephesians 1:11). God did not establish a corporate entity called "the Elect" and then filled it with individuals who then chose Him. The logical order is that God has elected individuals from all eternity and when they are converted in-time, they became part of the Elect.
     
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    God elects each individual person, each living stone who He builds into a Holy Temple;

    1pet2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


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    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord:

    22 In whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.
     
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    The idea that election is not individual is utter nonsense and found nowhere in Scripture.
     
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    The collective of those who are elect does not disallow individually being choosen, ". . . According as he hath chosen [individually, in third person singular] us [first person plural] . . . ." -- Ephesians 1:4.
     
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    The predestined adoption is stated to be future, ". . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ." -- Romans 8:23.
     
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    It doesn't seem to be future...
    Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
     
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