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The coming long winter in Ukraine

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by canadyjd, Sep 20, 2022.

  1. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    Despite the Russian propaganda regurgitated by some, it appears Ukrainian forces have retaken several thousand square miles of territory in the east.

    Additionally, a sizable portion of Russian forces are trapped on a river bank, unable to retreat given the Ukrainians have destroyed strategic bridges in the area. A supply barge was recently sank in the river. Putin has recalled a submarine from the Black Sea.

    Has Putin committed the same error as Hitler? Thinking a quick victory was assured, has he over extended his military and now faces a long bitter winter with his forces cut off and dying in the cold?

    With more dissent at home and chaos in the military ranks, Putin could very well be facing a humiliating defeat before winter is over.

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    Ever look at a map? It is not several thousand miles.
    The winter goes against Ukraine. We are the ones making Hitlers mistake. The very fact that we support Ukrainian nazis with billions in weapons and financing their government. I wish it were not so. May God show all of us the truth.
     
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    So, at least you admit the Ukrainian forces have made gains in retaking territory the invaders occupied. I suspect the winter will be very hard for everyone.

    Like the Russians fighting Hitler’s aggression in WW2, the Ukrainians are fighting for their homeland.

    The Ukrainians appear to be willing to die to defend their homeland. Will Russian troops, and the general population in Russia, be willing to die to take it? Home many more Russians will die before Hitler (oops, I mean Putin) is replaced?

    The next few months may be critical.

    peace to you
     
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    Nothing personal, but do you know anything about Ukraine? For instance, what part of Ukraine are ethnic Russians? East Ukraine? South Ukraine? Western Ukraine? What kind of discrimination have the Ukrainian nazis used against ethnic Russians in Ukraine? Do you know anything about about this conflict before Russia launched it's special military operation?
     
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    The ethnic Russians seem to be concentrated in the East. Their beef seems to be Keiv's "Ukrainianization" efforts. Kinda the opposite of Moscow's Russianiaztion efforts. And other than the usage of symbols, how do you define nazi? It seems to me that the Kremlin is defining it as any Ukrainian patriot.
     
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    The ones with nazi tattoo's. Images of Hitler, many other nazi symbols. I have posted youtube videos of them before. They are not going to show you on cnn, abc, msnbc and such. You have to go to non controlled sources. You can find them on youtube all you want.
     
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    I wrote other than the use of symbols.
     
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    I know Ukraine has borders. Russia invaded Ukraine, crossing those borders, bombing civilians. The Russians violated their agreement to recognize Ukraines borders.

    So, “ethnic Russians” live in Ukraine. That makes them Ukrainian. They should obey Ukrainian law and support the Ukrainian government.

    Back to the OP.

    Is Russian on the verge of suffering a humiliating defeat as this conflict grinds into winter? Will the Russian people, including the Russian military leaders, continue to blindly follow Putin after suffer so many casualties among their troops? Are they as willing to die to gain that land as the Ukrainians are willing to die to keep it?

    peace to you
     
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    I wonder who violated the agreement that Ukraine would not join Nato? We promised they would not. Even their current president at first went along until threatened by the nazis that the minsk agreements would not be kept or he would end up dead. It turned out the west had no intention of honouring the agreement it was only to buy time so nato could train Ukrainian troops to attack the ethnic Russians of Donbass region.
    Thats what Putin told the ethnic Russians. "You guys are part of Ukraine". How'd that work out for him/them?

    Do you really think that Russia is on the verge of military defeat? your listening to Western propaganda. Please listen to multiple sources for the truth. If you listen to US mainstream news media then you are listening to lies and propaganda. You know you are listening to lies when you say things like "Russia is on the verge of defeat". The Russians have driven the nazis out of at least 2 ethnic Russian regions and since the Ukrainian president has been ordered to not negotiate peace they will lose more territory. Remember, Russia only has 200,000 troops in eastern Ukraine for the special military operation. Why havent they been driven out yet? Hasn't the news media said they are on the verge of defeat?
     
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    The rape and persecution of ethnic Russians in the Donbas and other ethnic Russian areas of Ukraine. The passing of laws that persecute ethnic Russians. I'm sure you've heard about it. Thats why ethnic Russians formed militias for self defense. Thats why Nato was training Ukrainians to western standards to attack the ethnic Russian areas. Putin outmaneuvered them with the special military operation. Beat them to the punch.
     
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    First: please show me where Ukraine has joined NATO?

    Second: please show me where/when Ukraine and/or US and/or NATO agreed that Ukraine would not join NATO?

    I don’t know if Russia is on the verge of military defeat, which is why I’m asking the question.

    I see this morning Pouting Putin is threatening nuclear war and conscripting 300,000 more soldiers to replace those killed/wounded in Ukraine.

    1. That sounds like a desperate man out of touch with reality.

    2. How long before the people around him slip him a “Putin special” to take him out?

    peace to you
     
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    We have been training Ukrainians for a long time. The last "successful attack" by U that you heard about are completely nato trained. They are being trained in Britian, France and i think Poland as well.
    The first time my understanding is that after the Soviet Union collapsed Reagan and Shultz promised the Russians they would not expand against them. However much later there was a Minsk agreement where nato would not expand into Ukraine putting us missiles on the border with Russia, giving them no responce time. It was admitted by a US official that the Minsk agreement was just buying time while we (nato) trained Ukrainians to fight Russia.
    They have (R) been winning everwhere until the last U offensive. Alot of U's died (sacrificed) in those attacks so it might not be conidered a real U win. If Russia doesnt get out of U soon you will know the western media lies. You will have first hand evidence. They have been lieing to us day one
    They were only asking for volunteers. 30,000 I believe. If its 300,000 then its lights out for U. They are already loosing to 200,000 Russians. Just think if U has to face 500,000. Lights out U.
     
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    First, Reagan was not POTUS when Soviet Union collapsed. Reagan hated communism and would never have agreed to limit NATO membership, imo.

    Second, the Minsk agreement removed nuclear missiles that were already in Ukraine in exchange for Russia promising to recognize Ukrainian borders and U.S., Britain and others promising aid to Ukraine if Russia invaded.

    Russia has violated the agreement. This war, and all its suffering and death is 100 % Putin’s fault. No amount of Russian propaganda can change that

    Back to the OP:

    Has Russia over extended itself with the invasion of Ukraine and is now on the verge of suffering a humiliating defeat as winter approaches?

    peace to you
     
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    Perhaps God will cause you to stumble upon the truth, instead of listening to CNN, MSNBC and big techs lies. I used to believe the lies as well.
     
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    Here is how you will know that your sources are lying to you. Russia will not collapse over winter. But our billionaires, who run our government do want Russia to collapse so they can pillage Russia. We are the bad guys. Please watch this.

     
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    I understand you have embraced the Russian propaganda as “truth”, rendering yourself blind to the horror of Putin’s invasion of a sovereign country, in violation of the Minsk agreement.

    I always ask God to reveal truth to me. I see mass civilian casualties that have been caused by Putin’s invasion.

    I also see you appeal to “God” as supporting your regurgitation of Russian propaganda on a regular basis. Hitler did the same thing to justify his evil acts. Putin is following in Hitler’s steps. You shouldn’t support him

    peace to you
     
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    May God show you the truth.

     
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    Poor old Pouting Putin! There he was, minding his own business, violating an agreement to respect Ukraines borders by invading, bombing civilians, killing innocents and then… the Ukrainians fought back.

    And then, those mean NATO members honored their part of the Minsk agreement by helping the Ukrainian people fight the Russians and their horrific evil invasion and ongoing atrocities.

    Yes, may God show you the truth

    peace to you
     
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    I expect the current U.S/NATO position is to make the Ukraine war go on as long as possible so as to drain Russia's military before their abysmal demographics collapse.

    A quick victory for Ukraine would not allow for that to happen. If I viewed Russia as the Establishment Elites do, then I'd want to prolong that war for as long as possible to keep throwing the Russian military into the grinder.
     
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    I’ve heard that argument… that the US and NATO are giving just enough aid to keep the war going, but not enough for Ukraine to push the Russians out.

    I’m not really arguing geo politics with this. Russia is the clear aggressor, plain and simple.

    The US and other NATO members have an obligation under Minsk to help Ukraine.

    Regardless of the politics, the coming winter will prove to be devastating to all involved, not the least of which are civilians without an infrastructure to survive.

    They may need some type of “Berlin air lift” to make it through.

    peace to you
     
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