the consequences of a troop pull-out

Yes I agree that Iraq is a mess and there is not any good answer. The Bush administration should have looked at all the evidence before they invaded Iraq. Now we can continue to allow our troops to be in the middle of a civil war, or we can withdraw our troops and allow the Iraqis to decide for themselves just how much bloodshed they will put up with.

We have deposed their dictator, helped them write a Constitution and helped them conduct fair elections. The ball is in the Iraqi court and there is nothing further we Americans can do, they have to decide for themselves.

 

There was a good editorial in the Washington Post:

 

Terrorists were already in Iraq before the USA went in.

And there will probably be terrorists there long after we are gone.

Until Islam takes a strong stand and starts executing terrorists, there really isn't much chance. The only other thing that will work, is for God to change their hearts.

Their acceptance of evil has led to the present problem.

Their sin . . . their evil . . . and we are paying for it.

 

Defeatists are everywhere.

 

Will you please define what a democracy is if you believe Israel is one?

 

Why do you disqualify Turkey?

 

I disqualiify Turkey because like nearly all muslim countries (actually I can't think of any that don't), Christians are persecuted and threatened continually.

http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/Turkey.htm

 

It's still a democracy (majority rules).

Senegal is pretty sound.

 

You see, the problem with that is that if you in fact are comparing that to our form of government, we are not a pure democracy. We are a democratic-republic. One thing you fail to leave out about Turkey is that in our nation, the rights of the minority are protected. I wonder how many of the 10 freedoms in the Bill of Rights are in the Turkish Constitution.

Maybe a more accurate way to state the premise is that Islam and our form of government are incompatable. I agree with LE.

 

Our warriors haven't yet come to believe the war is lost. They're in it to win whatever mission is given them. They've made consistent progress at everything we've asked them to do. They stand ready to do more despite the difficulty. They serve us because they believe what they're doing is right and because they're willing to give all it takes to get it done. They know things don't always go as smoothly as we'd like, that they're are serious risks, and that it may take a while to accomplish all the goals yet they keep on going. They serve their country and look out for one another.

Wouldn't be wonderful if we all had the same degree of confidence and determination?

 

Good post. The troops do a wonderful job under sometimes impossible conditions. One thing the troops have a right to is competant leadership from the top.

 

Yep, unfortunately, they do not have that. :tear:

Now I heard on Fox News this afternoon that Tony Blair said the UK is pulling out their troops.

 

Yea, I guess that now makes Blair an enabler of the terrorists, if what some say is true.

I wonder if Bush will ever see the magnitude of his blunder!

 

Sounds to me like he's supporting the troops.

 

All the rhetoric would mean something if our troops were allowed to fight this as a war instead of doing nation building in the middle of a civil war.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...feb20,1,7605925.story?coll=la-headlines-world

 

The problem is with your posts, Lady Eagle, that you believe the war is unconstitutional so you will be vindicated only by an American defeat. In that respect, you are like the Democrats in that bad news makes you look good and an American defeat helps bring your party to power. A victory in Iraq would be a setback for Peroutka and the Constitution Party.

But what really undermines your position is that you evidently have no fears for the future after an American defeat.

 

Strange, you would say that. I've been predicting a dire future for America, us having to live like Israeli's with suicide bombers around every corner, for the past several years. Guess you missed that. Because there are a few of us who know it is coming, and Iraq is just a temporary stall to what is coming to a mall and movie theatre near you, near me, near all of us, unless we get heavy fisted, I mean really heavy fisted with these islamic thugs. That means bring on the nukes, nuke them into oblivian until they get the picture there will not be a Third Caliphate. And bomb their mosques into oblivion in iraq, make them submit, then worry about nation building. You can't win a war and build the nation at the same time. If we are truly occupiers as we are accused, let's act like it. Otherwise, get out. Let them blow each other up until the cows come home. I'm sick and tired of political correctness and islamic rage.

Your problem, like most Bush supporters, is you don't understand the mindset/ideology of islam. And neither does Bush. Bad news, not only for our troops, but for America and the rest of the free world in the long run.

Hope all is going well with you, cmg.

 

They're in it to win whatever the mission they're given. We hurt that process a whole lot by making it out to be a waste of effort after the engagement is made.

 

Warriors have a duty to carry out the mission given to them by those duly elected and appointed over them. They understand that. Warriors and politicians often disagree. They both understand that as well.