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The Constitution . . .

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Aaron, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Aaron

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    So are you going to read the e-book?:smilewinkgrin:
     
  3. Aaron

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    Sure, right before I read the Koran.
     
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    The Constitution has been viewed as irrelevant by many in Congress, the Executive, and the Federal Courts for a number of years. A significant number of the electorate are concerned only about satisfying their selfish desires, therefore, it is unlikely anything will change in the near future..
     
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    My question is have you ever read the Constitution?
     
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    Yes, the document has been trashed by all three branches. Since the process the Constitution is amended is basically controlled by the three branches, especially at the start of the process, then it is amended as they see fit.

    One thing that is forgotten is that there is another way to amend the Constitution, by a Constitutional Convention in Article V.

    Article V of the Constitution outlines how to amend (modify) the document. It consists of two steps: proposal and ratification.

    1. Propose An Amendment
    Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment ot the Constitution.
    •Both Houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
    •Two-thirds of the State legislatures must call on Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention.
    2. Ratify An Admendment
    Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.
    •Three-fourths of the State legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
    •Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition (21st Amendment).
    Is there a timeline for ratification? The US Supreme Court has held that ratification must happen within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Since the 18th Amendment, Congress has set a term of seven years for ratification.

    To propose an amendment the second method has never been used. Instead of Congress controlling the amendment process, two thirds of the states can compel Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention, and the convention members do not have to be members of Congress. It is wide open in the number of amendments and subject. On the proposing side, three fourths of the states can approve it by ratifying conventions, again a process that removes politicians and puts the power with we the people.

    We could restore lots of rights that have been lost and morality down the tubes. Amendments could be passed banning restrictions on the 2nd amendment. We coudl define marriage. We could require a budget, no a balanced budget without a declared emergency and vote of Congress. We could forbid the use of US forces except in a declared war. We could reenforce all the Bill of Rights. We could rid ourselves of the Fed. We could forbid the federal government to exercise power reserved for state and local governments such as education. I could go on and on.

    The point is, it is possible to bypass established powers that have drained our Constitutional rights for decades.
     
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    Not only read, but sat under the tutelage of a constitutional attorney in college.
     
  8. Robert Snow

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    Perhaps it was Obama you sat under, he is a constitutional lawyer, you know. :laugh:

    Judging by your knowledge of the matter at hand, you should get your money back from the course you took in college.
     
  9. Aaron

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    I'm not the one employing the oxymoron, "constitutional rights," when speaking of the Constitution.
     
  10. Robert Snow

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    Have you ever taught constitutional law like President Obama?
     
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    The US Constitution sits on my desk in pocket form..... for years I carried it with me in my left breast pocket.
     
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    No, I was not a Senior Lecturer like Obama was.

    But why would Obama say:
    "I am confident the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically-elected congress," President Obama said at a White House event in the Rose Garden today.

    Just because a law is passed by a "strong majority" does not make it constitutional.



    What is that saying -
    Those who do - can
    Those who cant - teach
     
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    No he's not.
     
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    Pro and con...
    Is constitution the oppositie of prostitution?
     
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    Indiana has before the State Senate a call for a new Constitutional Convention and it seems to be able to pass the Indiana House. It deals with taxes and interstate commerce.

    The US Constitution was famously criticized by British Lord Thomas Babington Macaulay as, "Your Constitution is all sail and no anchor." I think that the Founding Fathers tried to anchor it to Christian Law but now we have voted for ourselves many laws that contradict the Law of God and we are sailing away in the wind.
     
  16. Robert Snow

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    Yes he is!
     
  17. Aaron

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    You mean have I ever been a false teacher? No.

    One needs no law degree to read and understand the Constitution. It is one of the most anti-elitist, common-man-empowering documents ever drafted.
     
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    Wow. Can't argue with that iron-clad sample of reasoning right there.
     
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    & I will just bet you didnt read the Koran or that e-book either! :laugh:
     
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