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The ESV has taken out verses!

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by annsni, May 17, 2007.

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  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    LITERALLY!! I was looking for Proverbs 31 on Sunday in my new Bible and I couldn't find it. It's honestly not hard to find Proverbs - go to Psalms and turn right (LOL) but it wasn't there! I FINALLY figured out that from Proverbs 12 to Song of Solomon 5 was missing - about 50 pages worth!! I just about died laughing (in church no less) because I've been in a "discussion" with someone online who's saying that the MV have taken verses out of the Bible! Fortunately, the publisher is being awesome and is sending me a brand new Bible straight from them but how funny is that?? So I was able to tell this lady who I've been having the "discussion" with that I guess she was right about taking verses out of the Bible and even SHE got a kick out of it. LOL!
     
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    I had bought a bible on the sale table of a bookstore for $5. I thought, what a deal. Until I got home and realized that it was missing a section that included the book of Ruth. From then on, I referred to it as my "ruthless" Bible! Get it, "ruth-less"? Ain't that funny!
     
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  3. annsni

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    ROTFL - Good name for it!!
     
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  4. Mexdeaf

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    I have a first-edition Rice Reference Bible that is missing a portion of a verse in Matthew, I believe it is.

    It happens more often than we think, but many people never read their Bibles from cover-to-cover so they never find the omissions.
     
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  5. Keith M

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    It would have been a real hoot if it had been a KJV printing!

    :laugh: :thumbs:
     
    #5 Keith M, May 17, 2007
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    When I was in high school, my parents bought me a beautiful KJV Bible with a variegated gray leather cover that snapped shut. Even had my name imprinted on the front.

    Later, I realized that there was a section of the Old Testament missing or out of place (don't quite remember which it was because I had moved on to the old NASB with nasty orange soft cover by that time.)
     
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    I had a NIV that was missing a large chunk of the NT starting in the middle of Acts. When I took it back to Walmart, I made sure the replacement was complete before I left the store.
     
    #7 TC, May 20, 2007
  8. TaterTot

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    I got a nice leather slimline gift Bible from church once when I graduated from college and it had some OT stuck inside the NT and was missing parts too, lol. They must have gotten a good deal on em lol.
     
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    These Bibles aren't broken. They're "for show" Bibles that accidentally got mixed up with the real ones. You're supposed to carry them with you to church and back, but never open them up long enough to notice anything's missing.


    :laugh:
     
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    On the other hand, the KJV (AV of 1611, first edition, first printing) adds words, or, if you prefer, the present KJV 1762/1769 omits words.

    AV of 1611 Exodus 14:10 And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Ifrael lift up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Ifrael lift up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Ifrael cried out unto the LORD.

    KJV of 1762/1769 Exodus 14:10 And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the LORD.

    :)
     
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  11. tinytim

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    Cool, I have never seen that!
     
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    Where is a KJVO when you need one.
     
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  13. Keith M

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    I don't have a serious conviction about this verse, but I think the verse as found in the 1611 KJV is what some KJVOs refer to as a printing error. You know, John Q. Printer set the type for part of the verse before he went home at 5PM, then reset the same phrases first thing the next morning when he started work at 9AM.

    BTW, the online 1611 KJV found at http://www.studylight.org has the redundant phrases included.

    In all seriousness, folks, I am not about to become KJVO in any way, shape or form, but it appears this particular verse could actually be a printing error that was corrected in later KJV editions. I'm certainly not saying that is the case in every verse that differs in the various KJVs.
     
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    I am certain it was a printer's error. The spurious addition follows the phrase, "the children of Ifrael." It seems pretty obvious that the typesetter looked down at his type, then looked back at his copy, and his eye went back to the first occurance of "the children of Ifrael" instead of the second. :)
     
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    I did not know that the theory of double inspiration so many KJVOs hold to provided for any errors.
     
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  16. Keith M

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    Some KJVO folks claim the KJVs (or at least one of them) are inspired, yet they have no explanation for printing errors. Many who don't believe the theory of KJV inspiration cannot understand how, if God provided the inspiration for a translation perfect in every way, He did not control printing errors as well. many of us believe that if God provided the inspired perfect translation in the 1611 KJV then He would also provide perfect printing, too.
     
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  17. franklinmonroe

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    Can anyone explain these 'printing' errors?

    1 John 5:12 --
    Hee that hath the Sonne, hath life; and hee that hath not the Sonne, hath not life. (A.V. 1611)

    He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (modern KJV)​
    Mark 10:18 --
    And Iesus said vnto him, Why callest thou me good? There is no man good, but one, that is God. (A.V. 1611)

    And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.(modern KJV)​
     
    #17 franklinmonroe, May 22, 2007
  18. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Tyndale 1534

     
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  19. franklinmonroe

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    Thanks for that, HBSMN. It would certainly appear that the A.V. men followed Tyndale directly, or indirectly in Mark. This can hardly be blamed upon the printers.

    Bishop's Bible 1568 --
    Iesus sayde vnto hym: Why callest thou me good? There is no man good but one, which is God.​
    But not in 1 John --
    He that hath the sonne, hath lyfe: and he that hath not the sonne of God, hath not lyfe.​
    (You can almost hear the 17th century 'BB-Onlyists' decrying that the A.V. has removed "God" from the pages of God's Word!)
     
    #19 franklinmonroe, May 22, 2007
  20. annsni

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    LOL - I was SO thinking the same thing!!
     
    #20 annsni, May 22, 2007
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