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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    One question . . . cui bono?
     
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    poncho Well-Known Member

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    So ITL believes in banning soft drinks and Big Macs and video games and riding motorcycles and sky diving and mountain climbing and sun tanning and . . . . avoiding my question.

    Cui bono?
     
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    No, I don't believe in banning those things.

    Now, Admiral Avoid-zo, do you believe in legalizing:

    Pot?
    Cocaine?
    Meth?
     
  4. poncho

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    Why not? They're all dangerous products or activities that people willingly choose to consume or engage in that can cause them serious harm or even death.

    I believe that proper debate etiquette consists of answering questions you've been asked by your opponent before going on to pose another question to your opponent.

    Now for the third time . . . cui bono? If you need a translation cui bono means . . . "who benefits".

    In other words I'm asking you who benefits from the prohibition of drugs?
     
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    There are laws that do.

    Anyone can make a law out of anything and turn someone into a criminal. It's just silly to blindly agree that someone is a criminal because they broke a law, when the law could very well be unjust. When someone is punished for practicing Christianity in a place that criminalizes it, why aren't you singing the same tune? After all, a law is a law.

    Consider whether the law is a broken one before you consider someone a law breaker.
     
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    Like this 11 year old female law breaker. http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/30/the-rules-are-the-rules-government-shuts-down-11-year-olds-cupcake-business/ Is this start of a new "war on little girls baking cupcakes"?

    What do you suppose we'll get now Gina, silence or insults?

    I don't think these three fellas like having their big government progressive roots exposed in front of everyone. :laugh:
     
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    Sorry but you have it wrong, the law is not to protect us from ourselves. Doing drugs puts those around you at risk. It deteriorates society.
     
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    There is no command in scripture to smoke pot and it has no redeeming qualities only negative ones. It places those around people who spoke it in danger and deteriorates society.
     
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    The same can be said about tobacco and yet it's legal.

    What do you suppose would happen if we declared a "war on tobacco"?

    Cancer patients might disagree with you about pot not having any redeeming qualities and while we're on the subject the hemp plant has tons of redeeming qualities and no narcotic effect at all and yet it is illegal to grow in the USA, why?

    Who beneifits from keeping this miracle plant that has so many positive uses God created for our benefit illegal? Can you tell us that Rev? Would you tell us if you could?
     
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    I don't care. First intentionally lighting something on fire be it cigarettes or pot and intentionally inhaling the smoke from it is just foolish. Such behavior goes against all common sense. However, cigarettes do not alter the mind. And it certainly would be unbiblical for Christians to smoke pot.


    And by the way not being able to smoke pot is not unjust.
     
  11. poncho

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    You are partly rightly right about this Rev the prohibition of drugs was never mean to protect us from ourselves. It was never meant to protect us at all. But that is what the law now attempts to do.

    Can you tell us why pot and cocaine were outlawed? Would you if you could?

    Man has been using drugs for thousands and thousands of years before any of them were made illegal and yet society remains. How do you explain that?

    Using your logic society should have collapsed long ago. Why hasn't it?
     
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    If you think you can make such a generalized statement without the details of this history being discussed then you are mistaken. It would be in error to assume this so called historical drug use has always been the same.
     
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    So the answer is no you can't tell us. At least not in an honest historically accurate and factual way that would support your position.

    Okay then so let's back up and address my question about tobacco.

    What would happen if it were outlawed?
     
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    No the problem is you cannot make you point in an honest and historically accurate way.
     
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    Is this supposed to explain why you keep avoiding some very simple questions?

    Why won't you answer them?
     
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    I have not avoided anything. That is a false accusation. You brought up the history yet provided no specifics about that history to make your point and then you attempt to hold me to providing the very specifics you brought up but never provided yourself.

    You go dig up your own facts then get back to me.
     
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    That's not a very compelling excuse Rev and it's not even a very good use of propaganda tactics.

    I think you knew I was referring to the simple questions I keep asking that never seem to get answered.

    Like who benefits most from drug prohibition?

    Who benefits from keeping the non narcotic and very useful hemp plant illegal to grow in the USA?

    What would happen if tobacco were outlawed?

    Why won't you answer these simple questions?
     
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    First I have never been asked those questions.

    Second I do not care. The answer to those questions, either way, will not change my view.
     
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    First. These are two simple questions I asked you directly Rev, so would you like to recant your statement now or do you prefer to go on being seen as dishonest?

    Second. I believe you are afraid to answer these questions. And If I were a betting man I'd wager more than a few reading this thread see it the same way.

    Third. At least you answered one of them. Would you tell us if you could? Your answer . . . no!

    Fourth. At least you're willing to admit facts don't matter to you. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I have never seen those questions. If you have I missed those posts.

    I am not afraid of them. In fact I will concede that there are some who have ulterior motives for this.

    This is just a dishonest statement. It is not just that facts do not matter. It is that those, even if they are actually factual, do not play into my decision making one way or the other. Maybe you should drop the debate tactic.
     
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