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The Fallen Angels

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Primitive Baptist, Aug 15, 2003.

  1. Primitive Baptist

    Primitive Baptist New Member

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    Arminians, is God "unfair" because Jesus did not die for the fallen angels?
     
  2. Dr. Bob

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    What benefit did Christ's death have for ANY of the Spirit beings? Cherubs, Seraphs, Angels, Watcher, Holy Ones?
     
  3. Aki

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    God is always sovereign, just, righteous, and love, among others. fair? it does not matter. as long as His attributes are kept!

    come Calvinism, there is no problem with God's attributes. with fairness, it depends. it may be unfair with double predestination. it maybe fair when looked upon the perspective that none is really worthy of salvation, and then saving some is actually a plus! it is not unfair since giving salvation is not God's responsibility.

    nevertheless with all these, there is still one issue at hand that is quite uneasy to know. it is not that God is unfair! it is not that God could have saved all but He chose to save only a few. it is that none of the non-elects ever actually had a choice!

    they are not responsible for their own condemnation. their volition were not tested for them to be condemned. they were condemned at birth. is God unfair? it does not matter. is God just in condemning the non-elects? yes, since there is a basis - the sin of Adam and the personal sins. are the non-elects responsible for their own condemantion? No. first, Adam's sin was imputed on them without respect for their volition. this got them condemned. in fact, even if they commit no single sin all their life, they are still condemned due to that imputed sin. more than that, they have a sin nature, which again, they recieve without any respect for their volition. this got them to commit personal sins, each worthy of condemnation. so are they worthy of condemnation? well, yes, since they have the imputed sin and personal sins. but do they have a choice to have those sins or not? well, NO!

    therefore, at the bottom of it all, non-elects are not responsible for their own condemnation. rather, they are made responsible by God! does Calvinism teach this? check out "Total Depravity".
     
  4. DCK

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    Although most of us have done it at some time in our lives (I know I have), it actually makes no sense to accuse God of being unfair. He defines fairness, goodness, justice, mercy, etc. So, what we're really discussing is our emotional responses to His actions. Certain things in the universe may seem unfair (even cruel) to us, but this is usually due to our limited understanding.
     
  5. Paul of Eugene

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    Who is to say the angels that fell didn't once have the same opportunity of redemption we all have? After all, our own doctrine is that in a hundred years at the most we'll have no more opportunities to repent either. So if the angels had, say, 50 to 100 years to repent before their fate was sealed, why, they'd have about the same offer we do!

    I don't think we absolutely know what has or has not been offerred in the past to fallen angels.
     
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