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The Geocentric Model: What's it hurt? 2nd Ed.

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  1. Aaron

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    Now that we all watched the dragon swallow the sun (and poop it out again) . . .

    The first time I asked this, I didn't know the motion of the earth was assumed only, and not scientifically proven. Even though Relativity has voided the heliocentric model of any truth value, I'm not disputing it. I'm merely asking what are the advantages of it?

    In otherwords, what truly beneficial technological or sociological advancement would have been preempted by assuming a stationary earth?

    And my second question is related: What technology or sociology has been unlocked by assuming an earth in motion?
     
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    Y'all've had time to think. Isn't it really just a philosophical litmus test?
     
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    There is nothing about cosmology that has been a help. No tech that is used by man, no medicine, and certainly no politics has been advanced by preferring the heliocentric model over the geocentric one.

    This morning you will be praying to One who spoke of His Father moving the sun through the sky.
     
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    So, In my world the sun rises in the east and sets in the west - even the newspaper speaks of sunrise and sunset.

    Also:
    https://astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/howfast.html#4

    What is your point about our "praying" Aaron?

    Thanks

    HankD
     
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    And will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the Earth.
     
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    I'm not making a point about praying. I'm making a point about how cosmology and faith are related.
     
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    That would be relevant if:

    1) Anyone really thought the earth had sharp corners,

    2) and they could see them.

    Everyone sees the sun rise, and until a few hundred years ago, most really thought the earth was motionless.
     
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    Were you ever a Boy Scout? If so, were you taught to "box" a compass? (A box is square, but "boxing" a compass means to go all around the compass calling out the cardinal directions and the directions between the cardinal directions (ordinal directions) and the directions between, intermediate points.

    N, NNE, NE, ENE, E, ESE, SE, SSE, S, SSW, SW, WSW, W, WNW, NW, WNW, and back to N.

    The cardinal points, N, S, E, and W, have almost universally been referred to "the four corners" of the Earth. :)
     
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    About ten years ago I read a paper explaining that the Earth is flat. The reason it appears spherical is the effect of gravity on light. It is a misunderstanding that things orbit the Earth, but it does appear this way as it circumambulates over the face of the Earth.

    When we have people killing themselves so that they can board the spacecraft trailing a comet, we can find someone who believes anything.
     
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    Non sequitur. Technology, medicine, or politics being advanced is not the benchmark for whether or not something is true.

    No tech that is used by man, no medicine, and certainly no politics has been advanced by preferring Pringles over Stax.
    ...by preferring Ford over Chevy.
    ...by preferring paint brushes over spray painting.
    etc. etc.
     
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    I'm not the one bringing up the flat earth.
     
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    Anyone with teenagers knows that they believe in egocentricm, they believe that they the universe circles around them.

    It’s possible to believe this and get through life but it makes things difficult for them and others.

    You can imagine the earth as the center of the universe but it makes it very hard to calculate meaningful data about the space around us.​

    To be able to imagine other perspectives changes the way we think – Einstein was such a person. His early work was founded upon thought experiments – much of his work was only proven decades later.

    Even Scotty of Star Trek fame recognized the importance of perspective in understanding the physics of the universe.

    Scotty: [to Spock Prime] The notion of transwarp beaming is like trying to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet whilst wearing a blindfold, riding a horse.
    [Spock writes on a paper]
    Scotty: What's that?
    Spock Prime: Your equation for achieving transwarp beaming.
    Scotty: [reads the equation] Imagine that! It never occurred to me to think of SPACE as the thing that was moving! (Star Trek 2009)
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    Aaron asked
    The ability to imagine the universe in other ways allowed advances in technology that may never have happened otherwise.

    Rob
     
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    LOL.

    Your point is essentially that the heliocentric model makes better science fiction. IOW it's more entertaining.

    I agree there. So does Darwinism. Without Darwinism, there was no galactic civil war a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

    Fun to imagine, but is it true?
     
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    Hmm, I need to think about that

    NOT!

    HankD
     
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    Our belief systems must be true or they are false!
     
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    First called so, by God himself!
     
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