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The Gipper shoulda stuck to football...

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by robycop3, Jul 30, 2004.

  1. michelle

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    How about the truth?

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    Matt.7, Luke 12:27-40,John 8:31-32, 14, 16,17 ,Acts 24-29, Gal.1, Heb.11,

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    The Bible For Today website has #1442. You need to look for this number. Order it for yourself. [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]I prefer my own observations to those
    of Rev. D.A.Waite. Here are my observations
    about the 1984 New King James Version (nKJV).

    1. the most frequent comment against the
    nKJV is against the Triskelion symbol on
    the title page. Not that symbols on the
    title page have anthing to do with the
    accuracy of the translation, but it is the
    most common objection to the nKJV.

    2. I have been a Christian for the last
    52 years, since April 1952. I have seen
    the rise of 99.9% of the KJVonly movement.
    In the late 1970s the KJVOs of the time
    said that if a translation was made
    from the Textus Receptus (TR), then it would
    be accepted as a valid substitute for the
    KJV1679. nKJV did that. It was not accepted.
    In fact, the way that the KJV1769-onlyiests
    rejected it, the KJV1769-onllyists can never
    have another Bible. Their Bible can never
    be improved, never be changed, never be
    converted into the language of the people.

    Sorry folks, that is the way history came down
    and i saw it myself. Let me tell you a sad
    story. Some of the translators of the nKJV were
    Baptists. The translators of the KJV1611
    (the real translators, not the respellers)
    were sons of Baptist killers. The translators
    of the nKJV represented the major denominations
    in the USofA. They were aware of the
    Westcott/Hort collection (not translation)
    of the Greek source of the New Testament.
    The translators of the nKJV put the
    Westcott/Hort variations in the FOOTNOTES.
    The nKJV translators practices the same truths
    that the original KJV tranlators used:
    admitting in the margin notes that the
    sources themselves vary. But no, the terminally
    dense KJVOs don't like margin notes. My theory
    is that margine notes are beyond their
    understanding. Like the ones described in
    2 Peter 2, the ones who can't figure out the
    margin notes NOR explaine the margin notes
    to others are in a deep panic about the
    margin notes. Here is a quick lowdown
    on the KJV1611 margine notes (they are
    sidenotes, not footnotes, in the original).

    1. "Or" means there is more than
    one good way to translate a source language
    term. I know in modern Greek "o-he" means
    "yes", "no", "hi", "um hum", etc. No one
    English word is even close.

    2. "Heb." means a variation in the
    Old Testament source. Most the O.T. sources
    are in Hebrew, but the LXX source is in Greek.

    3. "Gr." means a variation in the
    New Testament source. Most of the N.T. sources
    are in Greek, but certain early Latin
    and Syric sources are also used.

    [​IMG]
     
  3. rsr

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    michelle said:

    "HOW it came into existance. Do you know?"

    Yep. William Tyndale coined the word in translating the OT. If he'd had more time to revise his NT, he probably would have excised Easter from it entirely.
     
  4. michelle

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    Yep. William Tyndale coined the word in translating the OT. If he'd had more time to revise his NT, he probably would have excised Easter from it entirely.
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    Wow, this really amazes me. God has given so many people today this amazing ability to be able to know what it is people from the past "thought" or "would have" done.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  5. Scott J

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    That's nothing compared to the your efforts to dictate to God the way His Word must be preserved and communicated... in spite of the evidence He has given that contradicts your beliefs.
     
  6. Orvie

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    Well, brothers & sisters in Christ love God's Word: the accuracy AND the inaccuracy. I wonder why MOST of them love the inaccurate Word of God. </font>[/QUOTE]Simply not true. Roby takes the same position as the AV translators, "a variety of translations is profitable for gaining the sense of the Scriptures"...(they, quoting Augustine)
     
  7. robycop3

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    The combing of two words, "pass" and "over" hence, "Passover"
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    Michelle:HOW it came into existance. Do you know?

    Yes-TYNDALE coined it for his Bible translation, from the fact the observance marked the fact that the death angel PASSED OVER the homes whose occupants had obeyed God's instructions.
     
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    Michelle,

    I love Scripture as well as anyone, but slinging it around is not impressing anyone.

    If you won't answer questions, then don't. But why take up so much space trying to show how well you can cut-and-paste. We all know how to look up references, not that it matters since you keep posting the same old ones that have been repeatedly shown to not support your claims.

    If you're gonna debate, debate. Otherwise, go home.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  9. Orvie

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    The combing of two words, "pass" and "over" hence, "Passover" </font>[/QUOTE]oops! I just reread my post and noticed it should've read "combining" [​IMG]
     
  10. robycop3

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    riginally posted by robycop3:
    The KJV and the NKJV disagree each other 2,000 times! These 2,000 words in the KJV can't be perfect. Therefore the KJV is not the Word of God.(Sarcasm only. My above statement is as incorrect as Askjo's.)

    Askjo:You made unbelievable invention against the KJV.

    Not really. YOU started by making an unbelievable invention against the NKJV, something you can't begin to prove.
     
  11. robycop3

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    Originally posted by robycop3:
    As have all other valid BVs.
    Askjo:I disagree.[/]

    That's your right, although your right doesn't make YOU right.
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    Yes, it does. We're discussing one of them in this thread.

    That is your unproven agruement.

    I believe it's been proven quite thoroughly, as well as The Gipper's stuff being proven wrong.


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    The KJV, same as other valid BVs, came out as God willed.


    Not 100%!

    Really? What percentage, & what specific verses in the KJV didn't come out as God willed? And how do you KNOW they didn't?
     
  12. robycop3

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    Orvie:Askjo, you outta be ashamed of yourself for saying this about a brother who loves God's Word.

    I really don't mind, Orvie, if it makes him feel better. I know I'm speaking from FACT, while he's speaking from a man-made, theologically unsound, false doctrine. But again, if it does his heart good...
     
  13. robycop3

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    Michelle:and you will notice that Herod practiced his own religion and the people encouraged him.

    robycop3:Scripture, please?
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    Michelle, I patiently and closely read Acts 12 that you posted, in several different versions, and there's simply NOT ONE WORD about herod's religion. This is simply another of your non-sequitur replies, where you're actually trying to cover up the fact that you're CLUELESS in Scriptural proof for your KJVO stuff, instead of providing any correct answers.

    You say you're not KJVO. What other specific version(s) do you recommend?

    Where's the post containing the statement you said I made?

    So far, your're proving yourself a LIAR.

    THIS AINT GONNA GO AWAY, MICHELLE!
     
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    So what-or who did Herod worship? Islam was not even in the area yet..
     
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    He worshipped Ishtar(Asteroth,Ashtoreth),as the Scripture I quoted in page two reflects...

    Easter is correct!!
     
  17. michelle

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    Michelle, I patiently and closely read Acts 12 that you posted, in several different versions, and there's simply NOT ONE WORD about herod's religion. This is simply another of your non-sequitur replies, where you're actually trying to cover up the fact that you're CLUELESS in Scriptural proof for your KJVO stuff, instead of providing any correct answers.

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    Acts 12
    21. And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
    22. And the people gave a shout, saying, it is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
    23. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.


    Do you see it now? Was he worshipping God? Was he worshipping as a Jew? What was it that he said to cause the people to say he was a god and not a man? Why is it he was not stoned by the people? What is religion robycop? What other scriptures have similiar stories to this? What other religions appear as this? Do you know what pagan Easter is about?


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    Herod was intent on pleasing the Jews (Acts 12:3). He waited until the week of Passover was over, for killing someone during the Passover week, or worshipping Istar, would NOT please the Jews.
     
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    Yep. William Tyndale coined the word in translating the OT. If he'd had more time to revise his NT, he probably would have excised Easter from it entirely.
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    Michelle:Wow, this really amazes me. God has given so many people today this amazing ability to be able to know what it is people from the past "thought" or "would have" done.

    The proof is simple...No known literature made before Tyndale's Bible has the word "Passover" to denote the pascha observance. For example, Wycliffe's bible reads "paske".

    The words "Jehovah", "scapegoat" & "shewbread" appear for the 1st time in Tyndale's Bible.

    You see God had already provided His word in English before 1604-1611. What Scriptural justification was there for a new version? Or what other justification? The English of 1536 was as readable to the people of 1604 as the English of 1936 is readable to us.
     
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    Natters:Herod was intent on pleasing the Jews (Acts 12:3). He waited until the week of Passover was over, for killing someone during the Passover week, or worshipping Istar, would NOT please the Jews.

    Natters, Michelle simply refuses to acknowledge the truth. "Then were the days of unleavened bread" means these days were in progress when Peter was arrested. And she refuses to acknowledge the truth about those days as told by the people who know more about this observance than anyone else-THE JEWS. Any Jew will tell you that the whole week is called pesach or passover, and not just the paschal lamb meal.

    She refuses to acknowledge the historical fact that easter did not exist in Luke's day and that therefore when he wrote "pascha" he couldn't have possibly meant "Easter".

    The only reason I keep harping on these things is to disprove what Dr, Gipp wrote(remember the 1st post of this thread) and to keep newbies who may read his or Michelle's bunk, to not fall for the Onlyism myth...to give them SOLID FACTS to digest, to disprove the guesswork, tall tales, and fishing stories of Dr. Gipp, Michelle, and their kind.
     
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