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The Goats and Christ

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Frogman, Feb 6, 2004.

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  1. Frogman

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    What is the typical meaning of the two goats as found in Leviticus 16 in regards to the person of Christ.

    1) Is his Diety represented?

    2) Is his humanity represented?

    3) Is only his humanity represented?

    Thanks for any discussion ahead of time.

    Bro. Dallas Eaton
     
    #1 Frogman, Feb 6, 2004
  2. Daniel David

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    I love this text. I have preached it twice.

    Q: Why were two needed?

    A: One goat had to be sacrificed for the sin. One goat had to be alive to take the sin away and never return.

    Isn't that great?

    Consider Romans 4.

    It says that Christ died for our sins but was raised for our justification.

    I don't think the symbolism gets into the deity/humanity of Christ.
     
    #2 Daniel David, Feb 6, 2004
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    Oh, great it is happening again... I agree with DD! As with all created things when compared to the Creator the analogy breaks down if continued on past the sacrifice and the sending away.
     
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    Thanks Brethren,

    Would you agree the gospel was preached to national Israel in this type?

    If so, then why would it be error to study the connections? As far as this is error, would it be considered error to speak from the OT at any time?

    I am not attempting to place the type above the real act.

    But would you agree the two goats represented the one sacrifice of Christ, and the one resurrection for justification that Romans 4.25 speaks of?

    Is it true the diety of Christ is what sanctified the humanity?

    If so,then why would this type not be speaking toward each? Even as the first goat was sacrificed, (Christ sacrificed) the atonement was fulfilled (Romans 3.24-25). The blood is sufficient to complete the reconciliation. So, the second (scapegoat), would it represent the experience of the believer?

    It is obvious in the type that the first goat could not carry away the sins of Israel. It is obvious the second goat could not expiate the sins of the nation without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. So, then is it not obvious this is speaking of the humanity of Christ?

    He came in the flesh and in the flesh died in full view of the people. He resurrected and appeared and this appearance confirms to the disciples that he has now fulfilled the atonement.

    So, while the first completed the work toward God, the second represents the acceptance of the work by God the Father in the experience of believer priest.

    Sorry if the question offended anyone. It is not an attempt to belittle the finished work of Christ. I was just interested in studying the type.

    Bro. Daniel, why do you not think this represents the humanity of Christ? Just curious.

    God Bless
    Bro. Dallas Eaton
     
    #4 Frogman, Feb 7, 2004
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    Frogman, I am not saying that it couldn't. I am just saying that the point of it was what I already said. If there are other nuances to the main point, fine. However, we don't know for sure if it speaks to the humanity/deity of Christ. That is why I said what I did.
     
    #6 Daniel David, Feb 7, 2004
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    Frogman,

    I urge you to read the book of Hebrews in the New Testament did discuss on the sacrifice, and offering, and also covenant too.

    Christ is the type and shadow of the Old Testament things with prophecies speak of Christ and Calvary. Christ already fulfilled it through the cross. We do not need another future sacrifice and offering again any more - John 19:30. Because Christ is our Lamb.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
    #7 DeafPosttrib, Feb 8, 2004
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    deafposttrib, nobody is saying otherwise. Please read the posts.
     
    #8 Daniel David, Feb 8, 2004
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    Maybe that blank post was confusing...huh? :D

    DeafPostTrib--I could Amen your post if you would correct the statement that Christ was the type and shadow of the OT sacrifice. I believe Hebrews speaks to this as well.

    Thanks for posting.

    God Bless
    Bro. Dallas Eaton [​IMG]
     
    #9 Frogman, Feb 8, 2004
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