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The Immigration Swamp

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Rolfe, Aug 24, 2015.

  1. Rolfe

    Rolfe Well-Known Member
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    A good opinion piece by Charles Krauthammer.

    The immigration swamp

    For years, immigration has been the subject of near-constant, often bitter argument within the GOP. But it is true that Trump has brought the debate to a new place — first, with his announcement speech, about whether Mexican migrants are really rapists, and now with the somewhat more nuanced Trump plan.

    Much of it — visa tracking, E-Verify, withholding funds from sanctuary cities — predates Trump. Even building the Great Wall is not particularly new. (I, for one, have been advocating that in this space since 2006.) Dominating the discussion, however, are his two policy innovations: (a) abolition of birthright citizenship and (b) mass deportation.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ea4ef8-476a-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    I like Krauthammer much of the time but overall he is an establishment guy. Any talk a bout illegal criminal immigration that does not force them to go home should be a non-starter. Cut off the money and benefits and they will leave themselves without on single dime spent by us.
     
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    That plus put the illegal immigrant criminals in jail for their crimes instead of the catch and release program that Obama has designed.
     
  4. InTheLight

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    When you say cut off the money, what do you mean?

    Stop hiring illegals?
    Fire or layoff illegals?
    Stop them from sending money to Mexico (and elsewhere)?
    Something else?
     
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    And go home to what? It would be easier to turn to crime. Many, many will choose that alternative.

    Do not misunderstand. Illegal Immigration angers me. It is an insult to those of us who followed the rules. But...in many cases, I can sympathize with those who are driven to it for their Families' sakes.
     
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    What happened in this country many years ago when those in charge abused their power? 30 million Mexicans need to go home and take back their country from the corrupt government and cartels. However, there is an agenda to their coming here which is to take American land back over for Mexico.

    Further if you study history Rome fell largely because its borders became diluted. Send them home, seal our border and uphold the rule of law.
     
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    Report: Every deported illegal household saves taxpayers more than $700,000

    Advocates for mass-migration are using skewed financial claims to smear Donald Trump’s popular border proposals, which actually would help revive the near-bankrupt Social Security and Medicare programs.

    For every illegal migrant household that leaves the United States under Trump’s plan, Americans would recoup nearly three-quarters of a million dollars ($719,350), according to 2010 data collected by Heritage scholar Robert Rector.

    The lifetime savings accrued from one deported illegal household would provide funds for 125 low-income inner city students to receive the maximum Pell Grant award in 2015-2016 ($5,775); it could cover the cost of pre-kindergarten for 90 at-risk children (around $8,000 per child); or it could cover the one year cost of Medicaid for 124 enrollees ($5,790 based on FY2011 data).

    But business interests want the migrants to stay. That’s because migrants help lower the cost of Americans’ wages, but also because the migrants spend their wages — plus taxpayer aid — at retail stories and rental agencies.

    For example, the American Action Forum (AAF), a business-backed pro-amnesty group, claims that legal costs and forced migration would spike the cost of Trump’s plan up to $300 billion to arrest and remove all illegal immigrants living in the United States. The AAF was founded by Fred Malek, who co-founded and chairs a hospitality investment company whose hotels employ many low skilled migrants.

    AAF’s cost projections have been trumpeted by many in the mainstream media such as NBC and Fox News.

    In reality, “a modest increase in enforcement (such as E-verify or visa tracking) would cause significant attrition in the illegal population– sending millions of illegals home on their own at no cost to the U.S. taxpayer.” said Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the non-partisan Center for Immigration Studies.

    There’s good evidence for Vaughan’s argument. “Arizona’s population of unauthorized immigrants of working age fell by about 17 percent” in the course of a single year, after the state began to enforce E-verify, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

    The claim from Malek’s AAF also ignores the financial savings caused by the return of migrants to their home countries.

    Illegal migrants cost U.S. taxpayers a net total of nearly $100 billion annually, concluded a 2010 investigation by the Federation for American Immigration Reform.


    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...700000/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
     
  8. InTheLight

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    Article continues:

    So, let's not pocket the savings, let's spend it on (mostly) other liberal pet projects! Yippee!!

    Besides all the immigration programs that would be cut with mass deportation, why don't we keep cutting spending elsewhere and paying down our debt?
     
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    It would be impossible to stop illegals from sending money out of the country, wouldn't it?
     
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    This makes good sense. If our leadership would just use the tools already at hand, and actually close the border, there may be no need for anything more radical.
     
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