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The Little Pagan Drummer Boy

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Aaron, Dec 26, 2002.

  1. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    :rolleyes: Yes, yes, yes. Insert standard disclaimer about the historical details of the visit of the wisemen here. :rolleyes:

    (Though your objection to We Three Kings as a fable is surprising given your affinity for Jewish fables and the fable of The Little Drummer Boy.)

    That's not the point. The point is that The Little Drummer Boy conveys a false, and ultimately destructive, message about how to approach God--your warm and fuzzy feelings about your own children notwithstanding.

    We Three Kings does not. We Three Kings is not about who the wisemen were (though there is no contradiction), it is about who Christ is.
     
  2. stubbornkelly

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    What about 1 Peter 4:10? Anyone (besides me) consider that relevant when it comes to this issue?

    I've always seen the drummer boy's solo as his offering the only thing he has to give (creatively, mind you -- most of us think of gifts as having to be objects), and can't see that the words to the song promote anything but the using of our gifts, whatever they may be, to worship Him.

    The point being that the line "I have no gift to bring" is ludicrous.
     
  3. AdoptedDaughter

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    Aaron: That's not the point. The point is that The Little Drummer Boy conveys a false, and ultimately destructive, message about how to approach God--your warm and fuzzy feelings about your own children notwithstanding.

    Teresa: I suppose the story about the children coming to Jesus and sitting on his lap is totally irrelevant and should be ripped out of our Bibles then, I mean, it's conveying the warm fuzzy feeling when it comes to coming to Christ! :rolleyes:

    The Little Drummer Boy had nothing but himself to give to Christ, the wise men had riches and gold to give Christ. Each gave what he had, and each gave it to show their honor to Christ, what a horrible thing! :rolleyes:
     
  4. Sam

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    "The Little Drummer Boy" is my favorite Christmas song. I have this song downloaded on my computor for the holiday. The little drummer boy feels that he can't give God enough and I feel that I am alot like him. I don't have alot to give but I give God what I can. We should all give our best even if it doesn't seem like much to us or someone else. God is worthy of our best. I don't believe this is pagan in anyway. The bible tells us of the 3 kings that bring fine gifts to the Christ child because they wanted to bring God the best. If you have it give it and if you don't have much give the best you can. Maybe I have misunderstood your concern about the song or even the meaning of the song and if I have I would like to understand. ~Sheila~
     
  5. Aaron

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    Actually, that is the only truth in the song, though it is quickly contradicted when the little boy suddenly thinks, "Wait, my drum. I'll bet He would like me to play my drum!"

    Your assumption for the motivation behind the gifts of the wise men is arbitrary, and shall I venture to suggest somewhat formed by the interpretation offered in The Little Drummer boy?

    I have already posted from the Scriptures what kind of gifts God finds acceptable, but you persist in your thinking that it is somehow otherwise.

    That is indeed the message of The Little Drummer Boy, and that is what I object to.

    Christ accepts us, not because we are acceptable, but on the sole basis of His love and mercy. The only sacrifices He finds pleasure in are the sacrifices of humility, righteousness and thanksgiving, but even these are the sole fruit of His Spirit in us, and not because of the natural abilities we possess.
     
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    Your assumption for the motivation behind the gifts of the wise men is arbitrary, and shall I venture to suggest somewhat formed by the interpretation offered in The Little Drummer boy?

    I have already posted from the Scriptures what kind of gifts God finds acceptable, but you persist in your thinking that it is somehow otherwise.</font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry Aaron, but, ummm....care to show me where I assume, give the reason, of the motivation of the three wise men?
     
  7. Gina B

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    I think Aaron's probably having a good laugh over people thinking he's serious about this.
    It IS sort of amusing that people would take a post calling the little drummer boy pagan seriously though! :eek: Let me guess who's next, Mary's little lamb? [​IMG]
    Gina
     
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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  9. Aaron

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    It isn't obvious?

    ...so to honor Him, Pa rum pa pum pum, when we come...
     
  10. Aaron

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    I never post anything that I don't believe, though I am somewhat surprised over the response. The music forum was dead so I thought I'd liven it up a little.

    The Little Drummer Boy in my view has some atrocious theology.

    P.S. I did notice that the responses were from those who have no love for me. Well, except Abiyah... ;)

    [ December 28, 2002, 04:05 AM: Message edited by: Aaron ]
     
  11. AdoptedDaughter

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    Aaron,

    We are to give God what we have, correct? Then why would a song not be good enough to give if that's all we have left to give?
     
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    As does Mary Had A Little Lamb!

    That's quite a strong statement to say, Aaron....

    You know you can love without liking, don't you?
     
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    8o)
     
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    The following are the actual lyrics. I have deleted the 'pa rum pa pum pum's' so the message can be seen more clearly. My comments are in italics.

    Little Drummer Boy
    (K.K. Davis/H. Ornorati/H. Simeone)

    Come, they told me,
    Jesus told us to come to Him, too

    A newborn king to see,
    He certainly is the King!

    Our finest gifts we bring,
    This seems to be a clear reference to the wise men!

    To lay before the king,
    So to honor him,
    When we come
    The purpose of the gifts was to honor Him, not to win any 'brownie points' with Him

    Baby Jesus,
    I am a poor boy, too,
    Jesus was not known for His earthly wealth!

    I have no gift to bring,
    That's fit to give a king,
    When confronted with Christ, aren't we all totally aware of our own inadequacies?

    Shall I play for you
    On my drum
    All we can offer is all that we have and are, if He will accept it, to honor Him.

    Yoi da adash,
    The words substituted here are usually "Mary smiled at me

    The ass and lamb kept time,
    Miracles happen... [​IMG]

    I played my drum for him,
    I played my best for him,
    A young child trying to honor the King.

    Then he smiled at me
    Me and my drum, me and my drum
    Gift accepted

    -----------

    It's a simple story with a simple message -- honor the King with what you have. Because He loves us, and not because what we give could ever be worthy of Him, He accepts what we give from our hearts.
     
  15. Aaron

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    Helen, your comments certainly appeal to the pride and self-righteousness in man, but Scripturally, what is the acceptable sacrifice (or gift)?

    [ December 28, 2002, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Aaron ]
     
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    A humble and a contrite heart, Aaron. And whatever is given from that heart.

    Don't you think that is the story? No, I know you don't. But many of us do. That's all.

    It has nothing to do with pride or self-righteousness. It has to do with returning to the Lord the gifts and talents He has given, to honor Him.

    Nothing I can give is worthy of Him, either, but that will not stop me from doing everything I can to honor Him.
     
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    I think the value of the gift is a non-issue here. I believe what God wants is for us to give what we have with a humble and yet cheerful heart. If you are giving your best for with the intention of blessing God and giving of yourself to see the Gospel brought forth more effectively then by all means your gift is pleasing to God and you can as well as should be expecting a blessing from doing so.

    Karen
     
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    Yikes! You WERE serious! Sorry!
    Ok, well, let's also take a close look at "Mary Had a Little Lamb".

    Mary had a little lamb (Clearly biblical)

    It's fleece was white as snow (If this is implying the lamb put out a fleece, that's asking for a sign isn't it? If the lamb isn't a reference to Jesus, it's idolatry because nothing else is white as snow)

    And everywhere that Mary went the lamb was sure to go. (implying omnipresence in animals?)

    It followed her to school one day which was against the rule (great, now we're teaching our children disobedience is cute)

    It made the children laugh and play to see a lamb at school. ( disrupting school is OK? )

    This song is clearly teaching our kids Satanic worship and disrespect for authority. And while we're at it, what about little Bo Peep's sheep? Polytheism, dancing, glorifying the lost, SHAME ON US!
    What's your opinion on Frosty the Snowman (the tobacco addict) and Joy to the World?
    Gina
     
  19. Aaron

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    Gina, the last I checked, Mary Had a Little Lamb was not being sung as a Christian song. Neither was Frosty the Snowman. And neither was Jeremiah was a bullfrog...

    But the moment they are...BAM! ;)

    Oh wait! You mean the hymn Joy to the World!

    Sorry, with the pattern of listing non-Christian songs I jumped to the conclusion that...

    Oh never mind! ;)
     
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    Close!

    Whoa! The broken spirit, and the broken and contrite heart are the gifts! And we can only bring those because He asks us to.

    But in your efforts to "comfort" people (yes this comes from other conversations) you wish to rob them of the only gifts that God will receive.

    You say things to compare God with a doting parent (as your oft appeals to your own familial ties demonstrate). But He is not a doting parent. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Our God is a consuming fire.

    It is only as they come forward, as Spurgeon stated it, "as condemned criminals receive pardon by the exercise of the royal prerogative, or else perish in their sins."

    And this is not the message of The Little Drummer Boy, unless you want to say the drum somehow resembles the imputed righteousness of Christ, given him as he realized "I have no gift to bring..."
     
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