The Lord's church a denominational mess?

It's not for me to say, but his comments are suspicious. I was commenting on his comments. :laugh: That sounded funny.

I agree, but there are outward signs that reveal our salvation and love for God. Constantly criticizing scripture and stating that it's "insufficient" are signs that something is wrong in the heart.

 

I suspect Billwald was yanking your chains...

 

Matt, you think he was just being picadilly? Sometime we need a little of that to wake us up.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I'd be surprised if he's swum the Tiber or the Bosphorus

 

or the Thames. What river do you swim to be baptist the Elb or the Mississippi?

 

I am currently a member of First Everett (WA) Christian Reformed Church. Previously I have met with various Baptist denominations, mostly GARBC, and The Plymouth Brethern.

 

So what's your solution to the problem? You're above post sounds like many I've seen Catholics make, BTW...

 

I'm not familiar with your church. By your post I wonder how do you determine accurate translation of Doctrine in Scriptures?

 

Wow...you think God makes mistakes, you think His Word isn't enough...

...remind us again why you post on a Christian message board? To turn people from the faith?

Good grief.

 

Actually in illustrates the sinfullness of man and the inability of man to infallibly interpret and understand the eternal God's Word.

This statement illustrates that you have some growing to do in your Christian life and belief.

 

Cannot, or will not?

Normally, it is the latter.

Fact: what the Churches of Christ are doing in their buildings on Sunday morning does not normally affect what happens in my congregation's building on Sunday morning.

The problem is that people take things from Sunday morning and make those relevant where they are not. `We will not fellowship or minister with your Christians on Monday because your congregation does do x-y-z in your place on Sunday morning.'

To which Christians ought reply resoundingly: NONSENSE!

The idea that unity depends on agreement over a host of religious details is not taught in Scripture. You will not see it.

We are not divided because we cannot agree; we are divided for two reasons:
1) lack of knowledge about what Scripture teaches regarding unity,
2) carnal desires to divide against those who will not agree with us.

About #1: it is a tradition that without agreement over a bunch of religious questions, we cannot have unity. It is engrained. People assume it with no question. Therefore, if two people disagree about anything, at least one commonly will assume this provides justification to divide. It does not. The tradition is bogus.

About #2: this is more severe. The attitude is `We want nothing to do with you if you will not affirm our rightness by agreeing with us.' To such people, their agreement that Jesus Christ ought to be served is overshadowed by their desire to be agreed with.

The Gospel in Scripture is NOT the plan of salvation.

The Gospel is the story of what Christ did for us. Read 1 Corinthians 15. Where the KJV has "gospel" the ICB translates the Greek as "Good News" and rightly so. The Gospel is the Good News about Jesus Christ.

The Gospel is not about us. You will not see any indication in Scripture that the Gospel is about things we do. The Gospel = the Good News about what Jesus Christ has done for us.

We can hold different plans of salvation and still be spreading the same Gospel.

The problem with the Galatians is that someone was preaching a different Gospel: that Jesus Christ did not change anything. THAT is a different Gospel if there ever was any.

To my knowledge, all church groups are sharing the same Good News about what Jesus Christ did for us.

 

>Actually in illustrates the sinfullness of man and the inability of man to infallibly interpret and understand the eternal God's Word.

OK, agree! Sin pollutes every human activity including every church on earth. But how, then, should God communicate with humans. Should Jesus not return and rule in person?

 

>I'm not familiar with your church. By your post I wonder how do you determine accurate translation of Doctrine in Scriptures?

www.crcna.org

Creeds

• The Apostles' Creed
• The Athanasian Creed
• The Nicene Creed

Confessions

• The Belgic Confession
• The Canons of Dort
• The Heidelberg Catechism

Other Resources

• Position Statements
• Our World Belongs to God: A Contemporary Testimony
• Bible Translations

 

So, were you joshing with us on page 1?

 

I don't think Baptists have to swim anything - water "just gets you wet", remember?

 

Wow! So basically Calvinistic. Ok. Just curious how do you define in the Apostles creed the Communion of Saints? I mean if you adhere to the apostles creed then how do you define that aspect? I'm actually not critizing here just getting info.

 

JSM17...

You said...

There is a true church.

It is all of the christians on earth

The different groups are ultimetly irrelavent.

There is ONE church on earth. All of the christians(truly born again people) on earth.

 

>Just curious how do you define in the Apostles creed the Communion of Saints?

The Heidelberg Catechism waffles. I find it hard to believe that the saints in Heaven have completely forgotten about the people on Earth. Would they not pray for the people they left behind? When we praise God are we not is some sort of communion with the people down the street who are praising God? And between us and the people in Heaven who are praising God?

 

>The Gospel in Scripture is NOT the plan of salvation.

Why does there have to be a "plan of salvation?"

You saying it is merely a human interpretation of the text?