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"The Man of Sin" and "the Man of God"

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by One Baptism, Apr 14, 2015.

  1. One Baptism

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    "The Man of Sin" and "the Man of God"

    The "man of sin", even the "son of perdition" [as Judas was a type; John 17:12; an inside betrayer (Luke 22:48; John 6:71, 12:4, 13:2), even with a "kiss" (Matthew 26:48-49; Mark 14:44; Luke 22:47-48), in other words, it shall be that which outwardly claims to follow Jesus, or be like Jesus]:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away [αποστασιαG646 N-NSF (apostasia)] first, and that man of sin be revealed (αποκαλυφθηG601 V-APS-3S (apokalupsthe)), the son of perdition;

    There were/are many antichrists (2 Corinthians 11:13,15; 1 John 2:18), as well as a head (ultimately satan himself, who will manifest and personate Jesus Christ; 2 Corinthians 11:14).

    Even as, there is also the "man of God":

    2 Timothy 3:17 - That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    Is the "man of God" one man and/or many?

    Just as Jesus is the Head, yet He also has a "body" (Romans 11:16, 12:4-5; 1 Corinthians 10:17, 12:12-14,18,20,26-27; Ephesians 5:30; Colossians 1:18; Hebrews 10:5, etc) the True Temple. So too also, in the counterfeit, Satan (Root) and his body (branches) (Malachi 4:1), the counterfeit Temple.


    2 Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    The "temple of God"?

    1 Corinthians 3:9 - "... ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building."

    1 Corinthians 3:16 - Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    1 Corinthians 3:17 - If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

    1 Corinthians 6:19 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    2 Corinthians 6:6 - And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    Ephesians 2:21 - In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

    1 Peter 2:5 - "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house ..."

    Revelation 3:12 - Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

    Jesus own "Body" is the Temple:

    John 2:21 - But he spake of the temple of his body.

    Yet there is more to it:

    Revelation 11:19 - "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament..."

    See also the True Heavenly Temple - Exodus 25:40, 26:30, 27:8; Hebrews 8:5, 9:23; Revelation 11:19 and so on.

    Consider some images found online:

    A "man" robed in white, dipped in blood, wearing the blood shoes, seated higher than any other (upon a raised Dais, 7 steps), on a Great White Throne, surrounded on either side by two golden Cherubim, and outside of those four Living creatures, and the 'body' before him, in Red/Purple, gold, costly array and so on...


    Where is the worship of the Dragon focused? On earth...:

    Revelation 12:9 - "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth ..."

    Where is 'Jesus' if He is the 'Host' in the priest hands? On earth...


    And if anyone knows who Roman Catholicism's 'Mary' actually is (even that apparition, that messenger of light; 2 Corinthians 11:14), for 'she' is in the same place, notice:


    Actual Size:






    The 7 Golden Candlesticks?





    Sub-priests, under a Highpriest (of which we now have a pope-emeritus, and current pope, as it was in the days of the Crucifying of Christ, a Caiaphas and Annas):


    Service with Incense (in a golden Censor, like in Revelation) before the Altar, 7 Golden Candlesticks by a Highpriest:







    A 'sacrifice', 'bread' and the 'glory' (of the sun):

    http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/benodette/Q4 09 - Q1 10/Dec31VespersGetty.jpg


    The Laver:




    Even the foot, 'dipped in blood':

    Psalm 68:23 - "That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of [thine] enemies..."


    Wearing the 12 Gemmed Breastplate of Judgment of the Highpriest:




    Who else is wearing it (that 'messenger of light' again; 2 Corinthians 11:14):


    http://vultus.stblogs.org/virgo sac imago.jpg

    Who this really is a sculpture of?:




    Notice the two Compartment room, separated by wall or curtain/veil (a counterfeit Holy and Most Holy Place) with a throne on one side, for 'confession', where 'man' is sitting (seated, enthroned) 'in the place of' God:










    Crowned with Glory:




    Claiming to be the Shepherd:


    Walking upon the Waters:

    Revelation 17:15 - "... The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."


    There is more, a lot more.
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  2. lakeside

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    You're writing that the Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of our Lord and Savior of Mankind is the anti-Christ, good grief man, please. First Jesus dragged through the mud by the Roman soldiers, then 1500 years later His church dragged through the mud and today some of you are now dragging His mother through the mud.
  3. One Baptism

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    Brother lakeside, I do not speak of the actual Mary, the mother of Jesus, of the Scriptures, but of the false one masquerading in Roman Catholicism. I do not speak harshly, but kindly, and with even tones, knowing wherefrom I speak, having done the research:

    "… Yet our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God, so that the Church even addresses to her the words with which we pray to God: "Have mercy on sinners."

    the heavenly choirs, "above whom the Holy Mother of God is exalted." ...” [AUGUSTISSIMAE VIRGINIS MARIAE (August Virgin Mary); ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE CONFRATERNITY OF THE HOLY ROSARY; SEPTEMBER 12, 1897] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13augus.htm

    That just removed the whole false dual-classification that Roman Catholicism displays in its 'dulia', 'hyper-dulia' (so-called) vs 'latria', and more could be shown on this point from Scripture itself, and of the writings of Romanism. It elevated the 'Mary' of Roman Catholicism to equal status in a "common" way in "worship" to God, that 'Mary' could have "mercy" upon "sinners". She is not the Lawgiver, and could not therefore have such mercy upon "sinners" (transgressors of the Law, Ten Commandments, 1 John 3:4). It is not, and can never be in such a creatures prerogatives.
  4. One Baptism

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    “... If We have spent so large a share of our activities, in promoting the Rosary devotion, We can easily see with what benevolence the Queen of Heaven has come to Our aid when We prayed to her; and We express the confident conviction that she will continue to stand at Our side to lighten the burdens and the afflictions which the days to come will bring. …

    ... She was, in very truth, the Mother of the Church, the Teacher and Queen of the Apostles …

    ... 8. The power thus put into her hands is all but unlimited. How unerringly right, then, are Christian souls when they turn to Mary for help as though impelled by an instinct of nature, confidently sharing with her their future hopes and past achievements, their sorrows and joys, commending themselves like children to the care of a bountiful mother. How rightly, too, has every nation and every liturgy without exception acclaimed her great renown, which has grown greater with the voice of each succeeding century. Among her many other titles we find her hailed as "our Lady, our Mediatrix,"[3] "the Reparatrix of the whole world,"[4] "the Dispenser of all heavenly gifts."[5] …

    ... 9. ... "O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee; none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee."[7] …

    … 10. It is no exaggeration to say that it is due chiefly to her leadership and help that the wisdom and teachings of the Gospel spread so rapidly to all the nations of the world in spite of the most obstinate difficulties and most cruel persecutions, and brought everywhere in their train a new reign of justice and peace. This it was that stirred the soul of St. Cyril of Alexandria to the following prayerful address to the Blessed Virgin: "Through you the Apostles have preached salvation to the nations. . . through you the priceless Cross is everywhere honored and venerated; through you the demons have been put to rout and mankind has been summoned back to Heaven; through you every misguided creature held in the thrall of idols is led to recognize the truth; through you have the faithful been brought to the laver of holy Baptism and churches been founded among every people."[8] …

    … 13. No one will fail to remark how much the merits of the venerable Fathers and Doctors of the Church, who spent their lives in the defense and explanation of the Catholic Faith, redound to the Virgin Mother of God. For from her, the Seat of Divine Wisdom, as they themselves gratefully tell us, a strong current of the most sublime wisdom has coursed through their writings. And they were quick to acknowledge that not by themselves but by her have iniquitous errors been overcome. Finally, princes as well as Pontiffs, the guardians and defenders of the faith-the former by waging holy wars, the latter by the solemn decrees which they have issued- have not hesitated to call upon the name of the Mother of our God, and have found her answer powerful and propitious.

    14. Hence it is that the Church and the Fathers have given expression to their joy in Mary in words whose beauty equals their truth: "Hail, voice of the Apostles forever eloquent, solid foundation of the faith, unshakable prop of the Church."[10] "Hail, thou through whom we have been enrolled as citizens of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church."[11]"Hail, thou fountain springing forth by God's design, whose rivers flowing over in pure and unsullied waves of orthodoxy put to flight the hosts of error."[12] "Rejoice, because thou alone hast destroyed all the heresies in the world."[13] …

    … 15. The unexampled part which the Virgin most admirably played and still plays in the progress, the battles, and the triumphs of the Catholic Faith, makes it evident what God has planned for her to do. It should fill the hearts of all good people with a firm hope of obtaining those things which are now the object of our common desire. Trust Mary, implore her aid.

    16. That the one self same profession of faith may unite the minds of Christian nations in peace and harmony, that the one and only bond of perfect charity may gather their hearts within its embrace-such is our prayerful hope! And may Mary, by her powerful help, bring this ardently desired gift into our possession! And remembering that her only begotten Son prayed so earnestly to His heavenly Father for the closest union among the nations whom He has called by the one Baptism to the one inheritance of salvation bought for an infinite price, will she not, for that reason, see to it that all in His marvelous light will strive as with one mind for unity? And will it not be her wish to employ her goodness and providence to console the Spouse of Christ, the Church, through her long-sustained efforts in this enterprise, as well as to bring to full perfection the boon of unity among the members of the Christian family, which is the illustrious fruit of her motherhood? …

    … 17. A token that the fulfillment of these hopes may soon be a reality is to be seen in the conviction and the confidence which warms the hearts of the devout. Mary will be the happy bond to draw together, with strong yet gentle constraint, all who love Christ, no matter where they may be, to form a nation of brothers yielding obedience to the Vicar of Christ on earth, the Roman Pontiff, their common Father. …

    … 21. There is another special reason why Mary will be favorably disposed to grant our united prayers in behalf of the nations cut off from communion with the Church: namely, the prodigious things they have done for her honor in the past, especially in the East. To them is due much of the credit for propagating and increasing devotion to her. From them have come some of the best- remembered heralds and champions of her dignity, who have wielded a mighty influence by their authority or by their writings-eulogists famed for the ardor and the charm of their eloquence;"empresses well beloved of God,"[16] who imitated the Virgin most pure in the example of their lives, and paid honor to her with lavish generosity; temples and basilicas built to her glory with regal splendor. …

    … 25. The very origin of the Rosary makes that plain. When such faith is exercised by vocally repeating the Our Father and Hail Mary of the Rosary prayers, or better still in the contemplation of the mysteries, it is evident how close we are brought to Mary. For every time we devoutly say the Rosary in supplication before her, we are once more brought face to face with the marvel of our salvation; we watch the mysteries of our Redemption as though they were unfolding before our eyes; and as one follows another, Mary stands revealed at once as God's Mother and our Mother. …

    … 27. For that reason We say that the Rosary is by far the best prayer by which to plead before her the cause of our separated brethren. To grant a favorable hearing belongs properly to her office of spiritual Mother. …

    … 30. On the strength of this it has been decided to begin work on a scale proportioned to the size of the undertaking, and We have granted permission for the laying of the first stone of the shrine at an early date with solemn ceremonies. The temple will stand as a monument of ever lasting thanksgiving erected in the name of the Christian people to their heavenly Helper and Mother. There she will be invoked unceasingly in the Greek and the Latin rites that, ever more propitious, she will continue to heap new favors upon the ancient blessings. ...” [ADIUTRICEM (Benefactress) (On The Rosary); ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE ROSARY; SEPTEMBER 5, 1895] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13adiut.htm or http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/l...nts/hf_l-xiii_enc_05091895_adiutricem_en.html
  5. One Baptism

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    Temples, lavish, built to 'her' glory... more and more exaltedness and so on... It is truly the voice of Satan himself in the Rosary, for listen carefully brother:

    “... As often as the occasion arises to stimulate and intensify the love and veneration of the Christian people for Mary, the great Mother of God, We are filled with wondrous satisfaction and joy, as by a subject which is not only of prime importance in itself and profitable in countless ways, but which also perfectly accords with the inmost sentiments of Our heart. For the holy reverence for Mary which We experienced from Our tenderest years, has grown greater and has taken firmer hold of Our soul with Our advancing age. … 2. As time went on, it became more and more evident how deserving of love and honor was she whom God Himself was the first to love, and loved so much more than any other that, after elevating her high above all the rest of His creation and adorning her with His richest gifts, He made her His Mother. The many and splendid proofs of her bounty and beneficence toward us, which We remember with deep gratitude and which move Us to tears, still further encourage and strongly inflame Our filial reverence for her. Throughout the many dreadful events of every kind which the times have brought to pass, always with her have We sought refuge, always to her have We lifted up pleading and confident eyes. And in all the hopes and fears, the joys and sorrows, that We confided to her, the thought was constantly before Us to ask her to assist Us at all times as Our gracious Mother and to obtain this greatest of favors: that We might be able, in return, to show her the heart of a most devoted son. … 3. When, then, it came to pass in the secret design of God's providence that We were chosen to fill this Chair of St. Peter and to take the place of the Person of Christ Himself in the Church, worried by the enormous burden of the office and finding no ground for reliance upon Our own strength, We hastened with fervent zeal to implore the divine aid through the maternal intercession of the ever blessed Virgin. Never has Our hope, We are happy to acknowledge, at any time of Our life but more especially since We began to exercise the Supreme Apostolate, failed in the course of events to bear fruit or bring Us comfort. Thus encouraged, Our hope today mounts more confidently than ever to beseech many more and even greater blessings through her favor and mediation, which will profit alike the salvation of Christ's flock and the happy increase of His Church's glory. … 4. It is, therefore, a fitting and opportune time, Venerable Brethren, for Us to induce all Our children -- exhorting them through you -- to plan on celebrating the coming month of October, consecrated to our Lady as the august Queen of the Rosary, with the fervent and wholehearted devotion which the necessities weighing upon Us demand. … 7. Now, to appease the might of an outraged God and to bring that health of soul so needed by those who are sorely afflicted, there is nothing better than devout and persevering prayer, provided it be joined with a love for and practice of Christian life. And both of these, the spirit of prayer and the practice of Christian life, are best attained through the devotion of the Rosary of Mary. … 8. The well-known origin of the Rosary, illustrated in celebrated monuments of which we have made frequent mention, bears witness to its remarkable efficacy. For, in the days when the Albigensian sect, posing as the champion of pure faith and morals, but in reality introducing the worst kind of anarchy and corruption, brought many a nation to its utter ruin, the Church fought against it and the other infamous factions associated with it, not with troops and arms, but chiefly with the power of the most holy Rosary, the devotion which the Mother of God taught to our Father Dominic in order that he might propagate it. By this means the Church triumphed magnificently over every obstacle and provided for the salvation of her children not only in that trial but in others like it afterward, always with the same glorious success. For this reason, now, when human affairs have taken the course which We deplore, bringing affection to the Church and ruin to the State, all of us have the duty to unite our voice in prayer, with like devotion, to the holy Mother of God, beseeching her that we too may rejoice, as we ardently desire, in experiencing the same power of her Rosary. … 9. When we have recourse to Mary in prayer, we are having recourse to the Mother of mercy, who is so well disposed toward us that, whatever the necessity that presses upon us especially in attaining eternal life, she is instantly at our side of her own accord, even though she has not been invoked. She dispenses grace with a generous hand from that treasure with which from the beginning she was divinely endowed in fullest abundance that she might be worthy to be the Mother of God. By the fullness of grace which confers on her the most illustrious of her many titles, the Blessed Virgin is infinitely superior to all the hierarchies of men and angels, the one creature who is closest of all to Christ. "It is a great thing in any saint to have grace sufficient for the salvation of many souls; but to have enough to suffice for the salvation of everybody in the world. is the greatest of all; and this is found in Christ and in the Blessed Virgin."[1] … 10. It is impossible to say how pleasing and gratifying to her it is when we greet her with the Angelic Salutation, "full of grace"; and in repeating it, fashion these words of praise into ritual crowns for her. For every time we say them, we recall the memory of her exalted dignity and of the Redemption of the human race which God began through her. We likewise bring to mind the divine and everlasting bond which links her with the joys and sorrows, the humiliations and triumphs of Christ in directing and helping mankind to eternal life. … Likewise because Mary was chosen to be the Mother of Christ, our Lord and our Brother, the unique prerogative was given her above all other mothers to show her mercy to us and to pour it out upon us. … 12. While nature itself made the name of mother the sweetest of all names and has made motherhood the very model of tender and solicitous love, no tongue is eloquent enough to put in words what every devout soul feels, namely how intense is the flame of affectionate and active charity which glows in Mary, in her who is truly our mother not in a human way but through Christ. Nobody knows and comprehends so well as she everything that concerns us: what helps we need in life; what dangers, public or private, threaten our welfare; what difficulties and evils surround us; above all, how fierce is the fight we wage with ruthless enemies of our salvation. In these and in all other troubles of life her power is most far-reaching. Her desire to use it is most ardent to bring consolation, strength, and help of every kind to children who are dear to her. … 13. Accordingly, let us approach Mary confidently, wholeheartedly beseeching her by the bonds of her motherhood which unite her so closely to Jesus and at the same time to us. Let us with deepest devotion invoke her constant aid in the prayer which she herself has indicated and which is most acceptable to her. Then with good reason shall we rest with an easy and joyous mind under the protection of the best of mothers. … Mary, the inviolate Virgin and Mother … the resplendent brightness of Mary received among the stars, and finally the everlasting glory of all the saints in heaven united with the glory of the Mother and her Son. …" [continued...]
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  6. One Baptism

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    "... 17. This uninterrupted sequence of wonderful events the Rosary frequently and perseveringly recalls to the minds of the faithful and presents almost as though they were unfolding before our eyes: and this, flooding the souls of those who devoutly recite it with a sweetness of piety that never grows weary, impresses and stirs them as though they were listening to the very voice of the Blessed Mother explaining the mysteries and conversing with them at length about their salvation. … 22. But lest we be dismayed by the consciousness of our native weakness and grow faint when confronted with the unattainable example which Christ, who is Man and at the same time God, has given, along with mysteries which portray Him, we have before our eyes for contemplation the mysteries of His most holy Mother. … 25. Her sacred promise was as sacredly kept with a joyous heart; henceforth she leads a life in perpetual union with her son Jesus, sharing with Him His joys and sorrows. It is thus that she will reach a height of glory granted to no other creature, whether human or angelic, because no one will receive a reward for virtue to be compared with hers; it is thus that the crown of the kingdoms of heaven and of earth will await her because she will be the invincible Queen of Martyrs. It is thus that she will be seated in the heavenly city of God by the side of her Son, crowned for all eternity, because she will drink with Him the cup overflowing with sorrow faithfully through all her life, most faithfully on Calvary. … 26. In Mary we see how a truly good and provident God has established for us a most suitable example of every virtue. As we look upon her and think about her we are not cast down as though stricken by the overpowering splendor of God's power; but, on the contrary, attracted by the closeness of the common nature we share with her, we strive with greater confidence to imitate her. If we, with her powerful help, should dedicate ourselves wholly and entirely to the undertaking, we can portray at least an outline of such great virtue and sanctity, and reproducing that perfect conformity of our lives to all God's designs which she possessed in so marvelous a degree, we shall follow her into heaven. … 27. Undaunted and full of courage, let us go on with the pilgrimage we have undertaken even though the way be rough and full of obstacle Amid the vexation and toil let us not cease to hold out suppliant hands to Mary with the words of the Church: "To thee do we send up our sigh mourning and weeping in this valley of tears; turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us. . . Keep our lives all spotless, make our ways secure, till we find in Jesus joys that will endure."[10] … 28. Although she was never subject to the frailty and perversity of our nature, Mary we knows its condition and is the best and most solicitous of mothers. How willingly will she hasten to our aid when we need her; with what love will she refresh us, and with what strength sustain us. For those of us who follow the journey hallowed by the blood of Christ and by the tears of Mary, our entrance into their company and the enjoyment of their most blessed glory will be certain and easy. … 29. Therefore the Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, combining in a convenient and practical form an unexcelled form of prayer, an instrument well adapted to preserve the faith and an illustrious example of perfect virtue, should be often in the hands of the true Christian and be devoutly recited and meditated upon. We address this commendation especially to the Confraternity of the Holy Family which We recently praised and approved. Since the mystery of the hidden life which Christ our Lord long led within the walls of the house in Nazareth is the reason for the existence of this association, that its members may constantly conform themselves to Christian life on the model of the Holy Family established by God Himself, its intimate connection with the Rosary is plain. … 31. For Our part, We confirm and ratify the grants of sacred indulgences made in years past in favor of the faithful who spend the month of October in the manner We have prescribed. Because of your authority and zeal, Venerable Brethren, We know that the Catholic people will be fired with devotion and holy emulation in venerating through the Rosary, the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians. … 32. And now let Us bring Our exhortation to a close in the way it began, proclaiming once more and even more openly the devotion we cherish toward the great Mother of God, a devotion both mindful of past blessings and full of joyous hope. We ask the prayers of the Christian people in devout supplication before her altars on behalf of the Church, tormented by such adverse and turbulent times, and on behalf of Ourself as well. Advanced in age, worn out with labors, fettered by distressingly difficult events with no human help to rely upon, We must yet carry on the government of the Church. Our hope in Mary, powerful and benign Mother, is daily more confirmed and more sweetly consoling. To her intercession We attribute the many and remarkable gifts We have obtained from God; with thanks still more profuse do we attribute the fact that it has been given Us to reach the fiftieth anniversary of Our episcopal consecration. … But that He may give Our hopes His propitious aid through the prayers of the Queen of the Most Holy Rosary ...” [ON THE ROSARY; MAGNAE DEI MATRIS; Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on September 8, 1892.] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ro2.htm

    Whose voice truly is that Brother? I know by experience whose it is and by Scripture there is no other voice than that of Satan, masquerading as an angel, messenger, of light, even an apparition...

    “... august Queen of Heaven … From her, as from an abundant spring, are derived the streams of heavenly graces. "In her hand are the treasures of the mercies of the Lord" (St. John-Damascene, Sermon I. on the Nativity of the blessed Virgin). … "She is an infinite treasure t o men: which they that use become the friends of God" (Wisdom vii., 14). … our Heavenly Queen under the title of the Rosary ... most august Mother of God ...” [DIUTURNI TEMPORIS; ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE ROSARY; SEPTEMBER 5, 1898] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13diutu.htm

    The 'Rosary' is a very, very dangerous weapon of warfare in the toolbox of Satan. He knows prayer is a weapon and uses it in his war against God. It deadens the mind, in its vain repetitions, so that the "voice" of its owner may be heard ever more clearly...

    Yet, according to Scripture, the real Mary of Scripture is dead, even asleep in the grave, awaiting her resurrection. And according the sources of Roman Catholicism, they actually know nothing of what happened to her after the Gospels...
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    “... At the same time, it must be confessed that we do not possess any authentic documents bearing directly on Mary's post-Pentecostal life. ...” [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; “V”; “The Most Blessed Virgin Mary”; subsection “The Post-pentesoctal Life Of Mary”] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

    “...Regarding the day, year, and manner of Our Lady's death, nothing certain is known. ...” [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; “A”; “Assumption Of Mary”; subsection “The Fact Of The Assumption”] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

    "St. John Damascene

    St. John of Damascus (P.G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem:

    St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven.

    Regarding the origin of the feast we are also uncertain. It is more probably the anniversary of the dedication of some church than the actual anniversary of Our Lady's death. That it originated at the time of the Council of Ephesus, or that St. Damasus introduced it in Rome is only a hypothesis.

    Note: By promulgating the Bull Munificentissimus Deus, 1 November, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared infallibly that the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary was a dogma of the Catholic Faith. Likewise, the Second Vatican Council taught in the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium that "the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, when her earthly life was over, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things (n. 59)."

    “... The faithful have understood this. That is why they throng to this grotto in order to hear the maternal counsels of the Blessed Virgin. In her they acknowledge "the woman clothed in the sun" (Rev 12:1), the Queen resplendent before the throne of God (cf. Responsorial Psalm), ever interceding on their behalf. ...” [Pope John Paul IIAPOSTOLIC PILGRIMAGE TO LOURDES; Homily August 15, 2004 - Prayer August 14, 2004; HOMILY OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II; Prairie de la Ribère; Sunday, 15 August 2004] - http://www.wf-f.org/JPII_LourdesHomily.html or http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...cuments/hf_jp-ii_hom_20040815_lourdes_en.html

    An "assumption" based on no facts, but mere "tradition" of men, made up out of the aether.

    “I answer that, Nothing is handed down in the canonical Scriptures concerning the sanctification of the Blessed Mary as to her being sanctified in the womb; indeed, they do not even mention her birth.

    But as Augustine, in his tractate on the Assumption of the Virgin, argues with reason, since her body was assumed into heaven, and yet Scripture does not relate this...” [Thomas Aquinas; Summa Theologica; Third Part; Question 27; Article I; “I answer that...”] [The Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas
    Second and Revised Edition, 1920
    Literally translated by Fathers of the English Dominican Province
    Online Edition Copyright © 2008 by Kevin Knight
    Nihil Obstat. F. Innocentius Apap, O.P., S.T.M., Censor. Theol.
    Imprimatur. Edus. Canonicus Surmont, Vicarius Generalis. Westmonasterii.
    Nihil Obstat. F. Raphael Moss, O.P., S.T.L. and F. Leo Moore, O.P., S.T.L.
    Imprimatur. F. Beda Jarrett, O.P., S.T.L., A.M., Prior Provincialis Angliæ

    MARIÆ IMMACULATÆ - SEDI SAPIENTIÆ ] - SUMMA THEOLOGICA: The sanctification of the Blessed Virgin (Tertia Pars, Q. 27) - http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4027.htm
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    “... 5. We must also be wary of those who publish the Bible with new interpretations contrary to the Church's laws. They skillfully distort the meaning by their own interpretation. They print the Bibles in the vernacular and, absorbing an incredible expense, offer them free even to the uneducated. Furthermore, the Bibles are rarely without perverse little inserts to insure that the reader imbibes their lethal poison instead of the saving water of salvation. Long ago the Apostolic See warned about this serious hazard to the faith and drew up a list of the authors of these pernicious notions. The rules of this Index were published by the Council of Trent;[8] the ordinance required that translations of the Bible into the vernacular not be permitted without the approval of the Apostolic See and further required that they be published with commentaries from the Fathers. The sacred Synod of Trent had decreed[9] in order to restrain impudent characters, that no one, relying on his own prudence in matters of faith and of conduct which concerns Christian doctrine, might twist the sacred Scriptures to his own opinion, or to an opinion contrary to that of the Church or the popes. Though such machinations against the Catholic faith had been assailed long ago by these canonical proscriptions, Our recent predecessors made a special effort to check these spreading evils.[10] With these arms may you too strive to fight the battles of the Lord which endanger the sacred teachings, lest this deadly virus spread in your flock. …

    … 9. The heretics have disseminated pestilential books everywhere, by which the teachings of the impious spread, much as a cancer.[14] To counteract this most deadly pest, spare no labor. Be admonished by the words of Pius VII: "May they consider only that kind of food to be healthy to which the voice and authority of Peter has sent them. May they choose such food and nourish themselves with it. May they judge that food from which Peter's voice calls them away to be entirely harmful and pestiferous. May they quickly shrink away from it, and never permit themselves to be caught by its appearance and perverted by its allurements. "[15] ...
    ...13. Let us ask these things humbly of Mary, the holy Mother of God. We confess that she alone has overcome all heresies and We salute her with gratitude on this day, the anniversary of Our predecessor, Pius VII's, restoration to the city of Rome after he had suffered many adversities. ...” [TRADITI HUMILITATI; ON HIS PROGRAM FOR THE PONTIFICATE; ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS VIII; MAY 24, 1829] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius08/p8tradit.htm

    Speaking of the position of Pope:

    “... Placed at the summit of the Apostolic power and, although lacking in merits, holding the place of Jesus Christ, the Son of God …” [IN SUPREMO APOSTOLATUS; (Apostolic Letter condemning the slave trade, written by Pope Gregory XVI and read during the 4th Provincial Council of Baltimore, December 3, 1839.)] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Greg16/g16sup.htm
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  9. Yeshua1

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    The true church of christ would be teaching the true Gospel of Christ, and the RCC has never done that!

    And mary was a Virgin when she conceived by the Holy Spirit Jesus, but had children after that!
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    Based upon Scripture, I am going to disagree with you brother on the last point ("...but had children after that!), but I do not desire to derail the thread with the subject here. Therefore, if you would like to enter into the study of the Scriptures in regards Mary, the mother of Jesus, of the Scripture, please begin a new thread, and I would be glad to meet with you and all therein on that subject.

    Thank you.
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    "AntiChrist".* What does this word mean?

    Let us look at a few definitions of the word itself, from basic concordances, etc (though, they are merely useful, for the Bible is the actual Definer of terms):

    Antichristos; ἀντίχριστος : "1) the adversary of the Messiah" [Strong's Concordance] and also "the adversary of the Messiah...of the corrupt power and influence hostile to Christian interests, especially that which is at work in false teachers who have come from the bosom of the church and are disseminating error..." [Thayer's Lexicon] and also "...can mean either "against Christ" or "instead of Christ", or perhaps combining the two, "one who, assuming the guise of Christ, opposes Christ" (Westcott) ... What the Apostle says of him so closely resembles what he says of the first beast in Rev. 13, and what the Apostle Paul says of the Man of Sin in 2 Thess. 2., that the same person seems to be in view in all these passages, rather than the second beast in Rev. 13, the false prophet; for the latter supports the former in all his Antichristian assumptions." [Vine's Expository]; see also "ψευδοχριστοι" (PseudoChristoi) (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22)

    Now, let us look at the word broken down into its components, and notice the other use:

    Anti; ἀντί: "1) over against, opposite to, before; 2) for, instead of, in place of (something); a) instead of; b) for; c) for that, because; d) wherefore, for this cause" [Strong's Concordance] and also "1) over against, opposite to, before; 2) indicating exchange, succession, for, instead of, in the place of (something), ... e) of succession to the place of another; 3) as a prefix it denotes a) opposite, over against; b) mutual efficiency of two; c) requittal; d) hostile opposition; e) official substitution, instead of" [Thayer's Lexicon] and also "...instead of, in the place of, in the room of..." [Vine's Expository]

    Several examples of "anti" meaning not merely "against" or "opposed", but also 'instead, in the place of, in the room of, for that, etc' are:

    Matthew 2:22 - But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:

    Matthew 2:22 - ακουσας δε οτι αρχελαος βασιλευει επι της ιουδαιας αντι ηρωδου του πατρος αυτου εφοβηθη εκει απελθειν χρηματισθεις δε κατ οναρ ανεχωρησεν εις τα μερη της γαλιλαιας

    1 Peter 3:9 - Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

    1 Peter 3:9 - μη αποδιδοντες κακον αντι κακου η λοιδοριαν αντι λοιδοριας τουναντιον δε ευλογουντες ειδοτες οτι εις τουτο εκληθητε ινα ευλογιαν κληρονομησητε

    James 4:15 - For that ye [ought] to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

    James 4:15 - αντι του λεγειν υμας εαν ο κυριος θεληση και ζησομεν και ποιησομεν τουτο η εκεινο

    Hebrews 12:16 - Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

    Hebrews 12:16 - μη τις πορνος η βεβηλος ως ησαυ ος αντι βρωσεως μιας απεδοτο τα πρωτοτοκια αυτου

    Luke 11:11 - If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

    Luke 11:11 - τινα δε υμων τον πατερα αιτησει ο υιος αρτον μη λιθον επιδωσει αυτω ει και ιχθυν μη αντι ιχθυος οφιν επιδωσει αυτω

    Even using the (so-called) LXX Greek:

    Exodus 29:30 - [And] that son that is priest in his stead shall put them on seven days, when he cometh into the tabernacle of the congregation to minister in the holy [place].

    Exodus 29:30 - ἑπτὰ ἡμέρας ἐνδύσεται αὐτὰ ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ ἀντ᾿ αὐτοῦ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ, ὃς εἰσελεύσεται εἰς τὴν σκηνὴν τοῦ μαρτυρίου λειτουργεῖν ἐν τοῖς ἁγίοις.

    Leviticus 6:22 - And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: [it is] a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.

    Leviticus 6:22 (6:15) - ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ χριστὸς ἀντ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ποιήσει αὐτήν· νόμος αἰώνιος, ἅπαν ἐπιτελεσθήσεται.

    Leviticus 6:22 (6:15) LXX is very powerful in demonstration, using both the words "anti" and "Christos" in the same passage, which is translated as "anointed in his stead", or also 'anointed in the place of'.

    For others, simply peruse the Greek Lexicon search, and see how Scripture uses the term - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=ἀντί

    Christos; Χριστός: "Christ = "anointed"; 1) Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God; 2) anointed" [Strong's Concordance] and also "anointed" [Thayer's Lexicon] and also "anointed, translates as 'Messiah'" [Vine's Expository] which speaks of Jesus, "the Christ".

    Therefore "AntiChrist" means that "which is in the place of or instead of Christ" so "opposing Christ".
  12. One Baptism

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    Let us see if Roman Catholicism agrees, by looking at its own uses of the word and parts:

    "Antichrist (Greek Antichristos). ... The word Antichrist occurs only in the Johannine Epistles; but there are so-called real parallelisms to these occurrences in the Apocalypse, in the Pauline Epistles, and less explicit ones in the Gospels and the Book of Daniel. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "A"; "Antichrist"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01559a.htm

    "...anti ... (in the place of...)..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "S"; "Sacrifice"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13309a.htm

    Since the term "AntiChrist" is also related to the "man of sin" and there would be "many", a line of successions [as is indicated] which all stand 'in the place of, or takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth' then should not this name be easily applied to this Roman ecclesiastical system and that singular position on earth which is over it all?

    It can readily and easily be applied by going from Greek to Latin:

    "(Latin Vicarius Christi).

    A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "V"; "Vicar of Christ"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15403b.htm


    (Latin vicarius, from vice, "instead of") ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "V"; "Vicar"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15401a.htm

    What do we immediately notice between the Greek and Latin?

    Greek: Anti (in the place of, instead of) Christos (Christ, Anointed)

    Latin: Vicarius (in the place of, instead of) Christi (Christ, Anointed)

    Does Rome's own definition of the "Vicarius Christi", "Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth" and "Vicarius Filii Dei" actually mean that the doctrinal and official position of the Pope is that he "stands in the place of Jesus Christ [the Son of God] on Earth", or that the position of the Pope "takes the place of Christ [the Son of God] on earth"?

    Yes it does.

    "...It will be enough, however, to refer to the evidence contained in the epistles of St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, himself a disciple of the Apostles. In these epistles (about A.D. 107) he again and again asserts that the supremacy of the bishop is of Divine institution and belongs to the Apostolic constitution of the Church. He goes so far as to affirm that the bishop stands in the place of Christ Himself. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "C"; "Church"] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm

    "...Supreme Pontiff, Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth..." [Roman Catholic Online Library; Church Documents; "Ad Sinarum Gentem (1954)"; Point 11.] - http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12ad.htm

    "...We, indeed, to all men are the Vicar of Christ, the Son of God..." [Roman Catholic Online Library; Church Documents; "In Plurimis (1888)"; Point 2.] - http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_le13ip.htm

    "But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, ..." [“The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII”, Encyclical Letter June 20, 1894] -

    "All names which in the scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." [Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Full Italian name: Roberto Francesco Romolo Bellarmino (Canonized-1930 and Doctor of the Church (Jesuit))), Disputationes de Controversiis (aka: Disputationes de Controversiis Christianae Fidei adversus hujus temporis Haereticos) [Lectures Concerning the Controversies of the Christian Faith Against the Heretics of This Time], Tom. 2, “Controversia Prima,” Book 2 (De Conciliorum Auctoritate)[“On Authority of the Councils”], Chapter 17, (1628 ed.) Vol. 1, pp. 266-translated]

    In Latin: "Secundo probatur ratione, in Scripturis fundata; nam omnia nomina, quae in Scripturis tribuuntur Christo, unde constat eum esse supra Ecclesiam, eadem omnia tribuuntur Pontifici." - http://cdigital.dgb.uanl.mx/la/1080015572_C/1080015573_T2/1080015573_21.pdf

    "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere manthe pope’s excellence and power are not only about heaven, terrestrial and infernal things, but he is also above angels...He is of such great dignity and power that he occupies one and the same tribunal with Christthe Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." [Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility"]

    "1. Papa tantae est dignitatis et celsitudinis, ut non sit simplex homo, sed quasi Deus, et Dei vicarius

    3. Papa idem est se Pater patrum

    18. Deveniendo ad Papae auctoritatem, papa est quasi Deus in terra unicus Christi fidelium princeps, regum omnium rex maximus, plenitudinem potestatis continens, cui terreni simul, ac coelestis imperii gubernacula ab omnipotenti Deo credita sunt " - http://books.google.com/books?id=VYwsAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false [page 1823; internal pagination]

    "...Ut sicut Beatus Petrus in terris vicarius Filii Dei fuit constitutus, ita et Pontifices eius successores..." [...as the blessed Peter in the vicar of the Son on God on earth was appointed, so the Pontiffs his successors, and..."] [Prompta Bibliotheca Vol. 6, “Papa”, Article 2; pg 41 [google books pagination] → ] - http://books.google.com/books?id=uJ...&dq="Prompta+Bibliotheca"#v=onepage&q&f=false
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    A number "666" ["χξς"] which may be "counted", the number of the "beast": "for it is the the number of a man", being its head, the "man of sin" [2 Thessalonians 2:3]:

    Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Revelation 13:18 ωδε η σοφια εστιν ο εχων τον νουν ψηφισατω τον αριθμον του θηριου αριθμος γαρ ανθρωπου εστιν και ο αριθμος αυτου χξς

    Revelation 13:18 ωδεG5602 ADV ηG3588 T-NSF σοφιαG4678 N-NSF εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S οG3588 T-NSM εχωνG2192 V-PAP-NSM τονG3588 T-ASM νουνG3563 N-ASM ψηφισατωG5585 V-AAM-3S τονG3588 T-ASM αριθμονG706 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSN θηριουG2342 N-GSN αριθμοςG706 N-NSM γαρG1063 CONJ ανθρωπουG444 N-GSM εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM αριθμοςG706 N-NSM αυτουG846 P-GSN χξςG5516 A-NUI-ABB

    It was clearly shown that the personage known as the "pope" has a name and title which is commonly and currently used to this day, which being "vicarius christi":

    "Vicar of Christ (Latin Vicarius Christi). ... thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). ... and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.). The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ" [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, Vicar of Christ] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15403b.htm

    "Vicar (Latin vicarius, from vice, "instead of") ..." [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, Vicar] - - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15401a.htm

    We have previously shown that "Anti Christ" is equal to [Vicarius Christi].

    "Vicarius" from which we get "Vicarious": "serving instead of someone or something else" [Websters]; or substitute, substitionary, in the place of [a vicarious death; such as was Jesus']

    It is thus shown by the above that not only is "Vicar of God" equal to "Vicar of Christ", it will be shown that "Vicar of Christ" is the same as and equal to "Vicar of the Son of God" [http://biblelight.net/Sources/Temporal-140-141.gif], which translates to "Vicarius Filii Dei".

    "..."Domine Jesu Christe Fili Dei vivi"..." [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, Ambrosian Liturgy and Rite] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01394a.htm

    "...2. We, indeed, to all men are the Vicar of Christ, the Son of God ..." [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, In Plurimi; On the Abolition of Slavery; His Holiness Pope Leo XIII; May 5, 1888; To the Bishops of Brazil.] - http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_le13ip.htm

    The appellation and title "Vicarivs Filii Dei" has been used in numerous places to designate the popes with, even over a period of several hundred years:

    - VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast - http://biblelight.net/666.htm

    - VICARIUS FILII DEI and 666 - A Response to "Pope Fiction" by Patrick Madrid - http://biblelight.net/envoy.htm

    Since we are to "count" the number of this "man of sin", who would be Roman, it can be shown that:




    112 [Vicarivs] + 53 [Filii] + 501 [Dei] = 666 [Vicarivs Filii Dei]

    Source of Image -

    Let us look at the Numbers themselves and their definitions according to Strong's Concordance, and see if there is anything else to consider:

    chi-xi-stigma χξC [600+60+6 = 666] Root word: the G22d (agamos ἄγαμος unmarried, unwedded, single), G14th (agathoergeō ἀγαθοεργέω to work good, to do good, to do well, act rightly) and an obsolete letter (4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the G5th (abba ἀββα Abba = "father") and G6th (Habel Ἅβελ Abel = "vanity (that is: transitory)")) [Strong's Concordance] - Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

    So we have even from the numbers, an "unmarried" "father" of "vanity" who claims "to do good" (or whose works begin, are, and come to nothing).

    Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Matthew 7:23 - και τοτε ομολογησω αυτοις οτι ουδεποτε εγνων υμας αποχωρειτε απ εμου οι εργαζομενοι την ανομιαν

    anomian - Lawlessness, or "transgression of the Law"; 1 John 3:4

    And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. - Matthew 23:9

    There is only one place in all of scripture which gives the title "Holy Father" [John 17:11], yet this very position, the 'pope', claims that appellation for itself:

    "VATICAN STATEMENT: "The Holy Father died this evening at 9:37 (1937 GMT) in his private apartment. ... John Paul II ..." - http://blog.newadvent.org/2005/04/holy-father-has-died.html

    Matthew 23:5 - But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

    Matthew 6:5 - And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

    Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

    Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

    They have "...heaped to themselves teachers..." [2 Timothy 4:3] and "...doctors of the law..." [Luke 5:17].
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    There are other examples in scripture of the 666, which will aide us as well in type. King Solomon [Solomon means 'Peace'; compare to what the "little horn" would do; "...by peace shall destroy many..." [Daniel 8:25]], who apostatized [multiplying, horses, women and gold; Deuteronomy 17:16-17; 1 Kings 10:14, 11:3,6; 2 Chronicles 9:13; and compare to what the "little horn" would do; "...he shall magnify [himself] in his heart..." [Daniel 8:25]] and in the height of the Kingdom, carried in the wealth of men, 666 talents of gold [1 Kings 10:14; 2 Chronicles 9:13], and had a Ivory Throne covered in Gold [bones covered in gold; like 'relics'] [1 Kings 10:18-20; 2 Chronicles 9:17-19], with 6 steps and 6 lions on both sides of those steps [6x6x6], the height and rule of men.

    Nebuchadnezzar [of Babylon] made a Great Image [Idol] of Gold to defy the God of Heaven, and its measurements were 60x6 [x6] [Daniel 3:1], who wanted all to bow and worship the Image.

    Of Adonikam ["lord of enemies"; ] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H140&t=KJV we read:

    Ezra 2:13 - "The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six."

    It would sit in (heis: towards or among) the Temple of God [1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16], ruling over the people of God [2 Thessalonians 2:4], yet claiming to be of God, yet it is a "son of perdition", just as Judas was [2 Thessalonians 2:3]

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:4

    The "pope" "sitteth" over the "temple of God" in "ex cathedra" [Latin: "from the Chair" or "throne" (Thronos))]:

    "Cathedra; (1) The chair or throne (thronos) of a bishop in his cathedral church, on which he presides at solemn functions. ... A good idea of the arrangement may be had from the catacomb frescoes representing Christ seated on a throne surrounded by the apostles ... By a definition "ex cathedra" is meant a formal infallible decision of the pope, obligatory on all the faithful. ..." [Online Catholic Encyclopedia; Cathedra] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03437a.htm

    "The chief church of a diocese, in which the bishop has his throne (cathedra) and close to which is his residence; it is, properly speaking, the bishop's church, wherein he presides, teaches, and conducts worship for the whole Christian community. The word is derived from the Greek kathedra through the Latin cathedra, throne, elevated seat. In early ecclesiastical literature it always conveyed the idea of authority. ... the cathedra was the principal symbol of authority. ... The word cathedra, so expressive in the language of antiquity, has gradually been replaced in liturgical usage, by throne (thronus) or seat (sedes). ... Canonists compare to a spiritual marriage the union of a bishop with his church, and although this expression may be truer with respect to the church as understood in the moral sense than to the cathedral, it is nevertheless not inappropriate. They say that the bishop should love his cathedral, adorn and embellish it, and never neglect it. Metaphors apart, the bishop receives his cathedral as his "title" (titulus) or right; he is its governor (rector) and its head. He should take possession of it by a solemn entrance into his episcopal city and by the ceremony of enthronement (inthronisatio) as prescribed in the Roman Pontifical and the "Caeremoniale Episcoporum", (I, c. ii) in so far, at least, as custom will permit.” [Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Cathedral] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03438a.htm

    "Literally “from the chair”, a theological term which signifies authoritative teaching and is more particularly applied to the definitions given by the Roman pontiff. Originally the name of the seat occupied by a professor or a bishop, cathedra was used later on to denote the magisterium, or teaching authority. The phrase ex cathedra occurs in the writings of the medieval theologians, and more frequently in the discussions which arose after the Reformation in regard to the papal prerogatives. But its present meaning was formally determined by the Vatican Council, Sess. IV, Const. de Ecclesiâ Christi, c. iv: “We teach and define that it is a dogma Divinely revealed that the Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the Divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals, and that therefore such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves and not from the consent of the Church irreformable.”" [Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Ex Cathedra] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05677a.htm

    Let us see that closer...

    ""from the chair" ... signifies ... authoritative teaching given by the Roman Pontiff ... when he speaks ex cathedra ... in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme ... authority ... is possesed of that infallibility ... in defining doctrine ... in faith or morals ... are of themselves and not ... irreformable." [quoted/sourced above]

    "Morals" deals with God's Divine Law, especially his Ten Commandments. For sin is the transgression of the Law [1 John 3:4], and speaking also of "Faith" in what we are to believe, for whatsoever is not of Faith is sin [Romans 14:23]. This 'papal position' claims power over Divine Law and Faith and to interpret, change, alter, modify, abrogate, even to dispense with all things, etc, even as we shall see, the very precepts of Christ Jesus Himself.

    This 'power' claims to be of God and follow Christ Jesus [it claims to be Christian], yet we see it is a "son of perdition" and instead is setting itself over the whole Temple of God, ruling from a Throne and "sitteth" over them, even having its own "morals and faith". This 'power' also turns over to the state authority the True Christians to be tried and executed [just as Judas had done to Jesus by handing Him over to the Religious Leaders of the Jews [corrupt church] and Romans [civil authority], for both came to take him, both responsible for His death], for it 'persecutes and wears out the saints' and causes their deaths. We shall see, that it still has within it the terrible ability to do so, even today, it has not changed, for "she" will not "repent".

    Remember the pictures previously? Enthroned on the Great White Throne, and so on, and remember also the throne, seat, chair in the confessional ? A "man" seated "in the place of" "Christ" "on earth"...
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  15. Melanie

    Melanie Active Member
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    Goodness me....are you saying that you think RC are mad and bad.....just askin
  16. One Baptism

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    If you could please clarify your question Briony, I would be better able to address it in all candor and charity.