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Hmmm...so, Terry, what EXACTLY does God say about the KJV? I can't seem to find anywhere in the KJV that God says it is the one and only Bible version...strange, isn't it?

AVL1984

 

So, let me see, according to you, wide acceptance is the reason for your accepting it as the Word of God? Okay, then by that reasoning alone, the NIV would be acceptable, as well as the NASB and the NKJV. Wow. I guess since they are widely accepted it IS proof that they are the Word of God. God is blessing them, too, so again, more proof. Thank you.

AVL1984

 

I'm through on this thread, you people are free to use whatever version you want. I will stay with the KJV.

 

Now that is a wise decision!

 

Terry Herrington: Been there, done that.

Then you should KNOW BETTER.

I don't care what the translators said about the KJV; I care about what God says about the KJV.

WHAT did He say? And WHERE?


It is evident to anyone who will be honest will see that the KJV is the English Bible that God has put His stamp of approval on.

I've seen several genuine AV 1611s, and the only stamp I saw in them was KJ's TAX STAMP.


It has fueled the great revivals throughout the ages and has propagated the Gospel to all parts of the world.

Strange. The Reformation came & went before the KJV was made. And now, most of the great revivals in the English-speaking world are being conducted by people using MODERN-LANGUAGE Bibles.

For someone to think that now, in this apostate generation, that we need to attempt to improve on it is foolish.

It's already been "improved on" at least four times since its initial release. The KJV stands as written, as does every other separate BV. Why try to improve on an existing model when it's much easier just to make a new one?


Instead of printing a Bible that meets our criteria, we would be better served if we altered ourselves to line up with what God has used throughout the ages.

Let's see...He used the Greek & Hebrew mss for several hundred years, the LV for over a thousand years...and when He caused His word to be translated into English, He caused several versions to be made in rapid succession, always in the English of the day, same as He does now. The undeniable evidence is that God has used many versions of His word throughout the ages, same as he does now. Nothing wrong with one's having a PERSONAL PREFERENCE for one given version, but to criticize MY choice is wrong.

 

Terry Herrington:I'm through on this thread,
Because you got caught in a booboo, saying some things you couldn't back up.

you people are free to use whatever version you want.

We were, anyway.


I will stay with the KJV.

So will I...but not ONLY the KJV.

 

MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH...


The AV translators made several things plain about their work. First, they recognized that many Greek or Hebrew words/phrases have more than one possible definition in English & they didn't always have the help of the context to guide their choices for the best possible renderings.

Next, they recognized previous versions as the word of God, even the
"meanest" (most poorly-made)of them. There was none of the "MY Bible can whup YOUR Bible" as there is today.

They NEVER claimed they were INSPIRED.

They worked under the 14 points written by Archbishop Bancroft, approved by the king.

This preface is conveniently left out of most currently-produced KJV editions, thus killing the KJVO notion that these editions are virtually identical to the 1611.

Seems as if those long-dead translators knew a little more about their own product than the modern KJVOs care to admit.

 

I would like to say that in reading this introduction we are given a look into some essentials which prove beyond a doubt that even the KJV translators were not KJVO.

Personally, I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging that the KJV has been powerfully used of God.

So have other translations. For instance the Old Itala was the Bible of the early Church of Rome, a church martyred by the 10 Ceasars before the apostasy of Rome began. The psehitto also, etc.

My objection is to the claim that the KJV is the Only English Bible to be used, but especially I am oppossed to the error of "re-inspiration" of KJV English as well as the "advanced revelation" theory. The translators did not hold the credentials as candidates for inspiration being neither apostle or prophets and not being eye-witnesses to the ministry of the days when Jesus Christ was here in the flesh.

Personally, as I have said before the "Message to the reader" settles it for me. I would rather believe them than someone 400 years later trying to second guess both God and them without a verse of Scripture to support "Onlyism".

Yes, God definitely has used the KJV.

That does not preclude the fact (IMO) that it needs to be "revised" in the spirit of the original "revisors", the KJV translators themselves.

Use whatever version your heart and mind are satisfied with after a season of prayer.

You don't have to answer to men.

HankD

 

Thanx for admitting this is only your opinion, instead of being dogmatic.
Remember: The AV translators were interpreters, not prophets.

 

Or else Archbishop Laud used his church-state authority in the 1630's to ban all other versions. An act that made the "Authorized Version" the only legal version in virtually the whole English speaking world for about 150 years.

Even as entrenched as the KJV was, John Wesley produced a NT translation in the 1790's and new translation efforts began in the US almost immediately after the Revolution.

If every version but the NIV were outlawed for 150 years, it would be hold an advantage even though I believe it to be inferior to the KJV, NASB, or NKJV.

Actually it is much more like the questions Jesus used to catch His accusers in their own deceitful traps. We ask questions many times to put you into a position to recognize that KJVOnlyism cannot answer very fundamental, basic questions.

BTW, I use the KJV as do many on our side of this debate. I simply reject the false KJVO belief.

 

Well, make that two of us. But, I won't be confined to just the KJV, as I don't necessarily find that scriptural.


AVL1984

 

I believe if we are to understand the "spirit" of the translators, they were telling us that we have received that which is the BEST men can do, and the rest is up to God, but that does say also that for we who do speak English, we should honour their efforts and stay with the KJB to avoid confusion. That is what all these other version issues are all about, CONFUSION!

I'm not confused by reading the KJB, neither am I confused by the many versions, the Greek or the Hebrew. I have learned to rely on the Holy Ghost for guidance into all Truth, men seem to want to try and confuse the Holy Ghost with their explaining away what thus saith the LORD by their convoluted devices. I strongly recommend against that.

Appreciate your stand my brother!~

 

Where in ANY version of the Bible are the words King James Bible?

 

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Where in ANY version of the Bible are the words King James Bible?


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Terry Herrington said: I care about what God says about the KJV.
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It is not the words or label "King James Bible". It is the scripture/words of God within - from Gensis 1 -Rev.22:21. Once many understand this, you will be able to see the real truth regarding this issue.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

"Once you understand you will understand"

 

It is not the words or label "King James Bible". It is the scripture/words of God within - from Gensis 1 -Rev.22:21. Once many understand this, you will be able to see the real truth regarding this issue.

Michelle, WHICH EDITION of the KJV are you talking about? I have a 1769 Blayney's Edition, a 1994 Cambridge Edition, and a replica AV 1611 right in front of me, & each is different from the other. In fact, the later editions leave out the preface.

Once I understand, I will understand...such things as why it's hotter in Florida than it is in the summer, & it's shorter to Timbuktu than it is by train.

 

And why, if God inspired those men chosen for King James' Version, could God not inspire the men chosen for the ESV, ASV, NKJV.... ? What about those who translate the KJV into Japanese, Russian, Dutch, and other languages? Would God not inspire and use those translators as well? Why only those first few translators and why for only English speaking folk.

It's very sad to me when people put limits on God.

 

Funny, though, Brother...she keeps saying she never says anything like that. I just can't abide her circular reasoning. NOWHERE has GOD said he would preserve HIS Word in the form of the kjVersion only. So, I guess if I understood, I would understand???

AVL1984