The NKJV and it's pagan symbol

The NKJV publishers stated that they intended for the symbol to represent the Holy Triune God.

They might be the most malicious liars in history but I haven't seen any association made between those that worked on the NKJV and satanism/occultism/paganism... so I'm inclined to give them the benefit in the doubt.

Here's an honest question for KJVO's: If the NKJV took the symbol off the cover, would you then give it fair review?

 

So if someone dogmatically holds a belief that is not established by scripture and in fact is contradicted by the example of scripture... what kind of duck does that make them?

 

Here's a picture of the cover plate of an original 1611 KJV. What does anyone make of this symbolism?:


http://www.folger.edu/newimages/EDU0006.jpg


Here's some accompanying commentary:

"The cover plate of the 1611 Authorized King James Bible absolutely covered in esoteric symbolism, notably that drawn from kabbalah and alchemy. Note especially the Four Beasts; the Tetragrammaton, (Hebrew letters for Jehovah at the apex); the Sun and Moon heading the side pillars of the Tree of Life with Mercury between; and the feeding geese and slain and arisen lamb symbols at Yesod and Tiphareth, (Kabbalah), with the name plate serving as the path between them.

That the original cover of the most widely-read English language version of the Bible should be so covered in esoteric symbolism indicates the degree to which the Bible's true significance was understood by the learned classes of seventeeth century Europe."

 

Spirit and Truth asked:

My take is however, why would anyone put a symbol on the front cover that has a questionable origin

The origin of the triquetra is "questionable" only to those who have an agenda against the NKJV. Nelson Bibles is under no obligation to mollycoddle the paranoia or misplaced outrage of KJV-onlyists or other assorted silly people.

Also, since Bono LOVES the message, and is the poster boy for the ecumenical movement, I do not think that I would use him in any capacity to validate this.

Well, I didn't, I merely borrowed something he said about the song "Helter Skelter," so what's your problem?

 

ArcticBound said:

This highly offended me, so I simply typed "Triquetra" in my search engine and I found many pages on WICCA. I went through them and found this quote:

And, of course, you believe the pagans instead of the Christians.

KJV-onlyists will believe anything. You gotta laugh.

 

Anti-Alexandrian said:

If it walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck,it must be a duck!!!

KJV-onlyists would know about ducks, being Christendom's most vocal quacks.

 

Just curious? Should I remove the horseshoe that hangs over my door, and cease eating Lucky Charms cereal?

 

Yes. And you should also throw out your wedding ring, another symbol used by pagans.

 

And it means what to the price of tea in China? The symbol means something to some pagans. It also means something to some Christians. Its use by pagans does not make it exclusive to the occult. The pentagram was (and still is to some) a symbol of Christianity to a much greater extend that it was used by the occult. Does that mean its' CHristian significance is void? No. Should we remove it from the US flag? Of course not! Even the cross has been used as a pagan symbol in the past. So has the ring, but most Christians use rings when they marry. Wine and brea have been used by pagans. Should we therefore cease serving communion? Let's not forget abandoning our use of numerals. They're Arabic!! Let's switch back to Roman numerals, shall we?

 

Why? The AV 1611 had them and the KJV translators wrote a very good defense of their inclusion. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, the 1611 also had the apocrypha... The 1611 translators are not my authority, if they were I'd join the Episcopal Church (shudder).

 

I am amazed that some people will be more concerned about a symbol on a page than the words of God.

My NKJV has the symbol on the Title Page. I really didn't notice it until all this fuss...oops, I mean discussion about it.

I quote from my Bible:

" Title Page Logo: The triquetra (from a Latin word meaning "three cornered") is an ancient symbol for the Trinity. It comprises three interwoven arcs, distinct yet equal and inseparable, symbolozing that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct yet equal Persons and indivisivly One God."

Why can't one believe this?

This is a study Bible. Should the maps, charts, comments be removed? I can tell which is from the KJV and if I can't I can compare it.

I agree that the language of the KJV is very beautiful. But I don't think that chaning ye, thee, or thou changes the meaning of the scriptures.

I think that it is good that there are translations that assist in understanding the word of God.

I had a co-worker who was Chinese. He read his Chinese Bible each day at lunch time. It was not written in English, but it was the word of God.

The verses that I quote from memory will be from the KJV because that is what I learned as a child, but sometimes I read and quote from other versions.

Perhaps some of the pagan symbols have been stolen from Christians...Just a thought.

 

Why? The AV 1611 had them and the KJV translators wrote a very good defense of their inclusion. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, the 1611 also had the apocrypha... The 1611 translators are not my authority, if they were I'd join the Episcopal Church (shudder). </font>[/QUOTE]Tim, help me out here. Why can KJVOnlyism get away with disavowing the KJV translators; while at the same time many KJVO's will lambaste users of any modern version as being essentially slavish devotees of Westcott & Hort, Kenneth Barker, et al. Isn't that more than a bit of a double standard?

 

Uh,yeah... This LINK will show otherwise.. </font>[/QUOTE]Amen to that! No excuse for NKJV that were produced by the conservative translators because it makes the Satan happy if you use the NKJV with the symbol! Shame on those translators!

Acts 17:29 "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

When the NKJV with the symbol is seen, you use it then YOU break ALL of the 10 Commandments according to the Scriptures.

Look at the NKJV -- 2,000 adulterated words in the NKJV are not the Word of God.

 

Uh,yeah... This LINK will show otherwise.. </font>[/QUOTE]THANK YOU! AMEN! </font>[/QUOTE]Double Amen!

 

Time out!!!!

You give the KJV translators credit for producing a perfectly worded Bible but somehow when they disagree with you they are suddenly not authoritative?

If God didn't choose the wording of the KJV then it is NOT perfectly worded since it is beyond the capacity of any man to produce perfection of himself. If God did choose the wording of the KJV then that biblically places the translators in a very special group made up of prophets, holy men of old, and Apostles... and you should consider them authoritative, especially concerning the Bible.

You can't have your cake and eat it too Timothy

 

2,000 words? OH NO!!!!! Out of 783,137 total words, thats a WHOPPING 0.255% difference from teh KJV!!!! Oh my goodness, a quarter of a percent! We shall all surely perish!

This thread is a complete waste of bandwidth.

 

Shame on you for blaspheming the Word of God. You can be sure that Satan is not happy when someone reads and studies the NKJV regardless of what symbol is on the cover. But you can be absolutely certain that he rejoices when someone like you attempts to discourage people from reading God's Word in language they can understand and apply to their lives.

Does your Bible say "King James" on it? If so, you are guilty by the logic you employed above of violating all 10 commandments and of idolizing a man. A name is nothing more than a verbal or written symbol for a man.

How about your church... do you have any crosses around? How about doves? Any designs on your hymnals?

I wonder if you actually have proof this time. Each and every other time you have made similar inane comments, you haven't been able to support your assertion with a single bit of truth.

 

I followed the link you provided, and the website does not even use the REAL 1611 Authorised Version they so vehemently extol.

Oops, there goes credibility.......

 

I'll answer two of your posts in this thread with onepost.

Originally posted by ArcticBound:
I am really upset with this board. What we "far right" have been accused of: being hot tempered, is what you far left have been doing!

Has it been on THIS board? I don't think Dr. Bob would allow it.

I was called a "blatant liar" by some ungodly person who didn't even take the time to do a little checking up on what I said. Then came along another ungodly person who is suppose to be teaching teens and says what I'm saying is HOGWASH.

Was it on this board? Or was it on one of those Yahoo groups?

No one likes to be called a liar. If I would say that about anyone on this Board, I would be attacked immediately! That is attacking someone's character!

This highly offended me, so I simply typed "Triquetra" in my search engine and I found many pages on WICCA. I went through them and found this quote:

"The triquetra is a triangular Celtic knot design which symbolizes all trinities"

"Pagan/Wiccan/Goddess Symbolism:
The Triquetra represents the threefold nature of the Goddess as virgin, mother and crone.
It symbolizes life, death, and rebirth and the three forces of nature: earth, air, and water. The inner three circles represent the female element and fertility."

"The Triquetra is on the cover on the "Book of Shadows," a powerful spell book, and on the Spiritboard, the prop department's idea of what a talking board looks like. The Halliwells might be surprised to learn that the Triquetra also appears on the Christian Bible, New King James Version, in real life. It may come as no surprise too, that there are some angry Christians out there who feel that the witches have stolen their symbol. Real life Wiccans claim that they had it first. Makes for an interesting situation, to say the least."
"The pagans have a few points in their favor, however. We can speculate knowing what we do of similar signs. The early Christians freely "appropriated" many pagan symbols, rituals, and holidays and took them as their own. The Mandorla (left), the Christians' sacred almond, was originally a pagan feminine symbol signifying fertility. The Christians changed it to one representing virginity and purity. It is pictured in early Christian art as the almond-shaped halo of Christ. So it's quite probable that the early Christians adopted the Triquetra, an interlocking triple Mandorla, also. In the final analysis, maybe the origin isn't nearly as important as its meaning to the group, or the individual. So whether you're pagan, Christian, or simply a fan of the television show "Charmed," you may believe what you want to believe . So can we"

LOOK at those words I put in BOLD...This is what some unsaved man says, "YOU MAY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE."

Just about every symbol or pictograph that's been around a long time is used by somebody for good and by somebody for bad.

What sayest thou concerning the fact that many copies of the AV 1611 have a logo of a SMILING SUN, same as found on more than one pagan object?


THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING ON THIS BOARD..."BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO, WE HAVE NO ABSOLUTES" IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WICCA DOES IT, YOU CAN DO IT TOO ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

It seems to me that the only Absolutes are the ones set by the Liberals.

Then the KJVOs must be liberals. They've set their standard as the KJV, without considering any of the evidence that the KJV is NOT the only valid English BV.

I made an honest statement about the new king james version. A Christian doesn't adopt the things of the world, no matter how inviting they may be. A pagan symbol is a pagan symbol, I don't care who uses it.

Then you'd better toss any Bible you have that has a CROSS symbol anywhere on it or in it. The cross was a pagan symbol for thousands of years. Don't believe it? Just enter "cross pagan" into Google or any other good search engine. And did you ever check into the RCC tradition of HOT-CROSS BUNS on Easter? Or the cross on their Eucharist cookies? Not to mention the smiling sun on the cover of many copies of the AV 1611 I mentioned above.

I think some people owe me an apology.
I backed up my words!

If I said something out of line, please paste it and I'll gladly apologize, although I suspect you have someone else in mind. However, I do NOT apologize to anyone, any time for bombing the KJVO myth.

 

I was called a "blatant liar" by some ungodly person who didn't even take the time to do a little checking up on what I said.

You were called a blatant liar by me. You made a blatantly false statement about the Roman Catholic Church in regards to the triskelion (triquetra). You have failed retract it as an error, so it is clear that you're a liar.

Now you compound your lie by calling me "ungodly". I would be ungodly only if I let such a blatant a lie by a brother in Christ go uncalled. Rather than address the issue, you also broadbruch anyone who disagrees with you on the issue of the triquetra to be "liberals".

No one likes to be called a liar.

Then retract your statement.

You should replace the ink in your cartridge, because your true colors are showing.