The only reason I am a Baptist

Good morning C4K

I said......

And you asked......

I know this, from hearing them say it: (In Churches and online)

This is not that much of provocative statement: (Here in the USA)!
It’s rather common knowledge.

 

Hello Jim1999

Interesting response.

You listed a lot of “unbiblical” practices Churches have, and said......

Well I am sure what the Mormons and the JW’s etc. do, “is also biblical to them”, but that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be “frowned” upon.
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You also said........

How can anyone call any Church good, that ignores Scripture.....
1 Timothy 2:12
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

1 Timothy 3:2
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;”

1 Corinthians 11:3
“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the
woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.”
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1 Samuel 17:29
“And David said, What have I now done? [Is there] not a cause?”

 

Hi Zenas

You said........

What ever happened to verbal inspiration?!?!

Nobody copied anything or recorded hearsay;
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, recorded what God gave them to say.(Every word!)

 

Hi Jon-Marc

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with that deacon:
(There is nothing in the Bible, that says you can’t be a song leader!)
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You asked..........

I recently found this, and thought you might be interested........
(Note, the 3rd paragraph

“What is a “Landmark Baptist”

Just what is a Landmark Baptist? How many Landmark Baptists have been asked this question before while sharing Christ and His Church with someone? The history of Landmarkism is something all Landmarkers need to be familiar with in order to be more effective in witnessing of the cause of Christ. One of the beliefs of Landmark Baptists is the perpetuity, or continual existence, of Christ's true churches since His earthly ministry. Therefore, it only makes sense that Landmark Baptists take some time to study their history to better witness to those they come in contact with as they go out into the world.

The Landmark movement itself is barely one hundred years old, having split from the Southern Baptist Convention in the late 19th Century, and in some areas not until the early 20th century. However, the truths and authority of this movement are literally as old as Christianity. The true churches of God have a history of splitting from other churches that have fallen into error. These errors were deemed to be so far removed from the truth that it necessitated a declaration of non-fellowship. The split of the Landmark Baptists from the Southern Baptists was no different. This split was not sudden, or even within a few years. It came over a period of time as the Southern Baptists gradually caved in to ecumenicalism and false doctrine, while the Landmark Baptists strove to separate themselves so they could effectively maintain the purity of the true church of God. So, what then is a Landmark Baptist? A breakdown of the two words, "Landmark" and "Baptist" will perhaps make things a little more clear. We'll begin with the word "Baptist".

Baptist
Most anyone familiar with "Christianity" knows of the name "Baptist." Baptists have been viewed as a more fundamental denomination within the "Christian" religion, although that is rapidly changing today. One glance in the yellow pages or a Sunday morning spent watching televised religious programs undoubtedly will show that "Baptist" churches are of many different persuasions and hold to many different beliefs. The Baptist movement (by name) is approximately three centuries old. The term "Baptist" is actually a trimmed down version of the term "Ana-baptist", which means to "re-baptize." (The Anabaptists received this name because they practiced believer's baptism and therefore re-baptized all who came to them from the Catholic and Protestant churches, both of whom practiced infant baptism). This trimming down effect was not accomplished by the Baptists themselves, but by their opponents within the Catholic, and later Protestant, churches. These opponents used this term more as a label than as a name. Hatred and intolerance of Baptists was not new, just as the faith the Baptists held to dearly was not new. The Baptists were of the same system of faith and doctrine as their ancestors (i.e. The Anabaptists, the Waldenses, the Albigenses, the Paulicians, the Donatists, the Novatians, the Christians, the Way, the Apostles); the only new thing about them was their name. Although Baptists started out under their new name as true churches, many Baptists have left their origins and fallen away. Now, sadly enough, only a few Baptist groups remain who trace their faith and history back to the days of Christ and His Apostles. As history has shown many times in their past, perhaps Christ's true Anabaptists will again receive a new "label" to distinguish themselves and their doctrines. Whatever happens, we can be certain that God will keep a remnant in the world who will truly, and willfully, purify themselves with the teachings of the primitive church and obey the Covenant God established through His Son.

Landmark
Now on to the word "Landmark." This name began as another scornful term used to describe those who chose to keep with the teachings of their Anabaptist forefathers. However, this time the ones who labeled the Landmarkers came from within the Baptist ranks. The term "Landmark" originally comes from two scriptures--Proverbs 22:28 and Proverbs 23:18....
"...remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set..."
"...remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the fatherless..."

This term was used first by J.M. Pendleton in a series of four articles which appeared in The Tennessee Baptist, a paper whose editor was J.R. Graves. Mr. Pendleton's articles later appeared in a pamphlet, An Old Landmark Re-Set. J.M. Pendleton and J.R. Graves disagreed with the Southern Baptists recognition of Pedobaptist, or infant baptising, ministers as Gospel preachers who were allowed to preach from Southern Baptist church pulpits.. To Pendleton and Graves this disgraced and defiled the true churches of God and therefore needed to be halted immediately. The more liberal Southern Baptists, as well as the Pedobaptists, took issue with Graves and Pendleton and labeled these two, as well as others with similar convictions, "Landmarkers" or "Old Landmarkers". A noted meeting in Montgomery, Alabama in 1854, organized to "put the matter to a test" ended in a day long debate between the Landmarkers, the Southern Baptists, and the Pedobaptists who were invited by the liberal Southern Baptists to attend and participate in the "deliberations" at hand.

Soon these contentions expanded to include the Convention system of the Southern Baptists. The Landmarkers took issue with the Convention system, stating that this system took control of missionary efforts and left local churches out of the decisions concerning mission work. Graves and the Landmarkers believed that missionary work fell under the authority the local churches, and not under any convention or other institution. This contention further separated the Southern Baptists and the Landmark Baptists.

The Landmark controversy lasted beyond Graves and Pendleton's lifes. However, it was by then in full force and carried on by worthy men of the faith. One noted Landmarker who carried on the work of Graves and Pendleton was Ben M. Bogard. By the time the controversy was over, the Landmarkers had split from the Southern Baptists in order to hold on to the ancient teachings of the Anabaptists as well as the belief in church perpetuity.

Today you can find Landmark Baptist churches throughout the world. Landmarkers hold on dearly to the distinctive beliefs that set us apart from Christendom. Throughout every century since Christ established His church there have existed assemblies of believers who have held to the ancient landmarks and stood for the faith once for all delivered to the saints.


"We believe that his kingdom has stood unchanged, as firmly as we believe in the divinity of the Son of God, and, when we are forced to surrender the one faith, we can easily give up the other. If Christ has not kept his promise concerning his church to keep it, how can I trust him concerning my salvation? If he has not the power to save his church, he certainly has not the power to save me. For Christians to admit that Christ has not preserved his kingdom unbroken, unmoved, unchanged, and uncorrupted, is to surrender the whole ground to infidelity. I deny that a man is a believer in the Bible who denies this".
--J.R. Graves (from Old Landmarkism, What Is It?)

"The Baptists are the only body of known Christians that have never symbolized with Rome."
--Sir Issac Newton

"Before the rise of Luther and Calvin, there lay secreted in almost all the countries of Europe persons who adhered tenaciously to the principles of modern Dutch Baptists."
--Mosheim (Lutheran)

"It must have already occurred to our readers that the Baptists are the same sect of Christians that were formerly described as Ana-baptists. Indeed this seems to have been their leading principle from the time of Tertullian (Tertullian was born just fifty years after the death of the Apostle John) to the present time."
--Edinburg Cyclopedia (Presbyterian)

quotes taken from "The Trail of Blood . . ."