"the original Baptist church"

My Irish friend......We are two peas in a pod....When I sing, dogs howl. LOL......Thank the Good Lord for beer though!:laugh:

Jesus Is Lord

 

Sure, Salty. And why do they call that complex on the edge of downtown Nashville the "Baptist Vatican?" Mighty expensive real estate to be in operation only three days a year.

 

I sense there is some snickering going on at the idea that the first church was a Southern Baptist church.

Actually, it was just a Baptist church. Now hold on, don't laugh.

The identifying mark of a true New Testament church is its views on baptism. Thus, we modern-day Baptists share a kinship with the church Jesus established during his ministry, and with similar congregations from then until now.

That, and Jesus' on promise that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church.

I hope all will take the time to surf through the website Jim1999 cited in post #9. It will open some eyes.

 

sorry, posted in wrong forum.

 

Okay, Jim, which forum did you mean to post in? I always value your opinion, whatever you post.

 

lol, matey,,it was on repentance,,,

Cheers, and bless you,

Jim

 

That's a nice quote and source there, Dr. Walter, thanks!

 

And a hearty AMEN!, to that! Thanks, TCassidy.

 

I'm a John Clarke guy, myself. His church was the first Baptist congregation in America.

 

Actually all my Baptist family in the UK converted to Welsh Calvinist Methodists anyway so I could care less...lol.

 

Now matey, you should clarify that the Welsh Calvinist Methodists baptize by immersion too, and only believers! They just missed the name baptist on the door.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Actually that came late in the movement, when they at last came up with a confession (emphasis: that did not copy Westminster). So there, you could be dunked and/or sprinkled. no deep frying allowed. you could get pickled though if you went to the pub with your mates.:smilewinkgrin:

 

How can you be a Calvinist Methodist? that baptizes by immersion.

My mother would be so happy, I could be a methodist again.

 

How can you be a Calvinist Methodist? that baptizes by immersion.
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Move to Wales!

Cheers,

Jim

 

Yes but the real one is by the Holy Spirit but He only gets up to Canada until September....I understand he doesnt like snow

 

Two main views of baptist heritage:

1. English separatist (1600s) - Baptist beginnings by Leon McBeth

2. Baptist Perpetuity (Early Church) - A History of Baptists by John T Christian

I am of the English separatist view.

This view is new to me. Can you describe particular doctines and practices by Roger Williams and his church that were not Baptistic besides the baptising each other thing?

How would Roger Williams or anyone else have done this if there were no organized assemblies of baptized believers around?

 

General Baptists never took good root in America. The only group of Baptists who can trace their "descent" from the General Baptists are probably Free Will Baptists. At the same time, while the large majority of Baptist grouping had their American origins in Particular Baptists, there was a large move away from Particular Baptist ideas and doctrines starting in the early-mid 1800s. Nowadays, the influence of dispensationlism has moved many Baptists in an even different doctrinal direction such that few groups of Baptists could be considering doctrinal "descendants" of either General or Particular Baptists.

So, while Particular Baptists were the initial "roots" of most Baptists groups in America, the large majority have long separated from those "roots".

 

So your saying you believe in apostolic succession at least so we can have legitimate baptisms and thus Baptist churches. After all, if there was a gap between the day of Pentecost and the Anabaptists and then the Particular Baptists, someone had to be the first to be baptized properly without anyone around qualified to do a proper biblical baptism. Ole Roger may have just recreated similar acts performed by first Anabaptists and then first Particular Baptist before him.

The way I understand the beginning of the Episcopal Church in the US as a separate body from the mother Anglican Church, they had to find some rebellious Scottish-Anglican (oxymoron) Bishops to consecrate the first rebel colonial Episcopal Bishops in order to preserve apostolic succession for eucharistic purposes. The English Anglican Bishops refused for obvious political reasons. In like manner who was qualified to baptized the first Particular and General Baptist in a way that qualified them as proper Baptists by your definition? Was the apostolic baptismal chain unbroken within the proper context of an autonomous local Church of baptized believers leading up to what was labeled General and Particular Baptists?

Definately a chicken or the egg scenario

Ed B... with tongue planted firmly in cheek.