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The Problems of L & I

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by PastorSBC1303, Mar 6, 2004.

  1. Me2

    Me2 New Member

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    Yelsew2,

    Repentance is not an act or work. It a reponse to a change of heart(spirit).
    the change of Heart is an act of God within man..

    towards a carnal babe. repentence is a work or process for not originally accepting truth overagainst error. unfortunately the change never occurs for the carnal babe maintains their original choice of error. (2 pet 2:22)

    Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Duh

    towards a spiritual christian.
    repentence is a matter of fact acceptence of truth.

    vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy are vastly different.

    spiritual babes have been predestined to change from their temporary state of lawlessnes by the killing of the works of the flesh. changing their ignorance to accepting truth. all along they had the (seed) spirit within them and were realizing this fact that repentence (as carnal babes recognize) wasnt necessary, yet a mental note of addition of change from error to truth was evident and working within the child.

    While vessels of wrath were predestined to fail at act of repentence. returning back to their ignorance of error. they have no faith to rely on Gods truth to work in their life. they are self righteous and will prove this in their day to day activities. by following their own preconceived idea of truth to overcome error.

    true repentence is simply accepting Change that has occured in the lives of spiritual babes. by replacing error with truth.

    either repentence will be true or false. here again is another moment where we can see fruit of the spirit. (truth or error)

    which truthfully points to the statement:

    Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

    everything the "sons of God" receive from their Father is a free Gift. everything. and its all a matter of accepting it as a gift. as if we could change Gods thoughts by saying "Im sorry for not acting right" to receive of God something he was going to give me for free.

    Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

    surely No Man.

    Yet It is the vessels of wrath that believe that Man must somehow deserve it above other men..

    How ridiculous and ignorant and arrogant an idea.

    peddle your wares elsewere Yelsew2.
    I am not interested.

    although Im always interested in your opinions always for there are hopefully many others here learning from your error.

    Me2
     
  2. Yelsew2

    Yelsew2 New Member

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    Likewise Me2, your false doctrine is abhorrent.
     
  3. ILUVLIGHT

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    Hi Pinoybaptist;
    These two verses are for man not to add or subtract.
    Don't you think it rather obsurd, to assume God will never utter another word?. That He will be silent for eternity?.Has He really said all He's going to say?.

    May God Bless You;
    Mike
     
  4. Me2

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    Yelsew2,

    Let me get this straight..

    You say that all who are cast into the lake of fire is anihilated.

    and i say: everyone who is cast into the lake of fire that God will purge their sin because they have been judged innocent at the Great white throne judgement... abhorrant?.

    You say that Jesus atoned for all sin, on the condition that man becomes aware of this truth and accepts this free gift via mans own faith.

    and I say that Jesus atoned for all sin. thus all sin is paid in full and mankind now must be purged of sin somehow..maybe through the refining fires of God...abhorrant?

    I am confused with your reactions..

    could you help me with my misunderstanding for the reason my interpretation of doctrine is called abhorrant...

    Me2
     
  5. ILUVLIGHT

    ILUVLIGHT Guest

    Hi PastorSBC1303;
    It would appear this is universal until you read the rest of the book and understand it.
    I believe we go to hell because we fail to believe in Christ.
    Yes it did work for the lost as well they just rejected it because they didn't believe.
    The rejection of Christ is why the lost go to hell. Not there sin.
    Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

    Salvation has always been about choice. God doesn't want anyone to perrish.

    2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    May God Bless You;
    Mike
     
  6. Yelsew2

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    I say that scripture calls the lake of fire the second death. Scripture says is it appointed unto man once to die, that is man MUST die from the flesh, that is the only way that man knows death, then the judgment. So man must die from the natural life which is death of the flesh, but the spirit continues to live to be judged!

    Revelation 20:15 says, "and anybody whose name could not be found written in the book of life was hurled into the burning lake." The "anybody" in verse 15 is "anybody out of ALL". So then who's names are found in the book of life? Jesus said, "Whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life". If one has everlasting life, they are NOT cast into the lake of Fire, which Rev 20:14 calls the second death!

    The connection here Me2 is that Faith brings life to the believer, Lack of faith brings death in the lake of fire for the unbeliever.

    There is no scripture that supports "purging of the individual by fire" The deeds of the individual are tested as if through fire. Meaning that what we do in this life is judged, but the person's life does not get judged in that judgment, but is judged by God according to his/her faith.

    NO Me2, that is not what I said. Man does not need to be cognizant of the Atonement at all for the Atonement to cover him. The atonement was a work of God done by God so that man's sins are not the cause of man's death. Thus Every human who ever lived has equal opportunity for salvation through FAITH, both old testament.

    That is an abhorrent belief because man does not get purged by fire! There are scriptures that 'speak metaphorically' of man being purged or refined as gold is refined, but they are metaphors and not to be taken literally.

    Me2 it is you belief system that is confusing you because the system of belief that you adhere to is abhorrent to the scriptures.
     
  7. Frogman

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    Originally posted by Yelsew:
    There is no scripture that supports "purging of the individual by fire" The deeds of the individual are tested as if through fire. Meaning that what we do in this life is judged, but the person's life does not get judged in that judgment, but is judged by God according to his/her faith.

    Yelsew2,
    Do you believe faith is a work or works? why not?

    Bro. Dallas
     
  8. Yelsew2

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    NO, FAITH requires no expenditure of energy. Not one erg of effort is expended in faith! That is why Ephesians 2:8,9 says that Salvation is "Not of Works..." Salvation is through FAITH, which is not a work!
     
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