The reason God cannot sin

...and also because of the very nature of sin - rebellion against God's will. God sin, because anything He desires to do is His will, and therefore not sinful.

 

But if he chooses to one things and establishes it as truth, he can not and will go against it because then He must go against Himself.

 

Then technically He could have listened to satan in the wilderness and it wouldn't have been a sin.

 

Apparently this is not the case.
Scripture tells us the God is not man that He 'should' lie.. not that He Can Not lie.

God does not say one thing and contradict it Himself.
God is a law unto Himself. He can not go against Himself anymore than He can cease to be.

He is the very image of all that He has commanded us and declared what is righteous and just to us. Thus He can not do contrary to His commands/decrees anymore than you can become God yourself.

 

Hmmm... true. "IF" Lukes version is to be understood as correct.

 

So He must offer a sacrifice 3 times a day and keep the feasts and holy days and all the other laws He commanded? God cannot lie, He cannot be unrighteous, He cannot be unjust, He cannot commit iniquity but not because He is bound by His commands and decrees but because it simply isn't in His nature. He would cease to be God if He did any of those things.

 

I thought that was what I was saying (unless I have misunderstood you, Allan). If God "chooses to do one thing and establishes it as truth," that thing is His will - He chooses it. Sin, by definition, is going against His will. Thus, God cannot sin. For there to be someone or something that could force God to act against His own will, that "someone or something" would need to be greater, more powerful, than God!

 

I would say you need to study up a little more if you are serious about the above post, unless of course you are posting just to be silly. If so.. then that is quite funny

God did not undo those things nor change His mind regarding them. They were fulfilled in Christ. Therefore He is not going against His own word as it is fulfilled in 'The Word' made flesh, being the Very God Himself. That is why we do not sacrifice anymore, nor do we judge each other regarding holy days or feasts.

In scripture we see the very image of God Himself. All that it speaks to of justice, holiness, love, ect.. are based upon God Himself - Ie. His nature.
Example - God can not (and thus will not) condemn/damn someone who is sinless, just because He can or desires to.. anymore than He can (or ever will) save someone apart from faith. (ie.. understanding the truth and rejecting it). He is Just and therefore must judge - justly/righteously. It is not done upon His whim or flippantly.

My point of contention is against the philosophical view - To presume that whatever God wants to do, in and of itself, makes it 'just' and 'holy', even if it contradicts His words, decrees, and/or nature. This is not biblical.

However I do agree that whatever God does is never sinful because He never goes against His nature and thus His will or decrees.

 

Yes.. and if God has set forth His will.. He will not and can not alter it, bend it, or change it. That is my point because He never goes against His nature and thus His will or decrees .

Some on here state that He can do such, and because He is God and therefore it is not wrong or sin.
This is not true. God decrees according to His nature and set forth His will, being fully established in His nature. To do anything contrary is to go against His nature, and in essense change the truth. Thus you have truth being relitive, according to God's whim.

 

what is silly is your argument.
He can not lie, not because He told men not to. He can not lie because that is His nature.

Not when you understand the argument.

But we are allowed to judge, yet there are a few things we are not. But question is why? It goes to the very nature of who He is and thus what He knows that we do not.
All His commands have purpose to reveal and establish who He is.. ie, His nature. Each one reveals Himself to us.

Again, biblically incorrect.
We ARE permitted to kill. We are not permitted to murder.
Murder is to Kill without just cause (to paraphrase it).
Why not? Because neither does God as it goes back to His very nature.

Your list is full of follies. Each and every one can be taken back the issue of His nature and why we are commanded to do some things and not.

God does not concern Himself with keeping them because they are who He is. He does them by nature.

Let me phrase it a different way and see if we both hold to the same view or not.
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Today God tells YOU, that you are His child/son eternally through Christ Jesus.

And then the next day says "I never knew you, you are not my son".
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In what I am seeing from your post God is not lieing and what He says is true in both statements because He is God and thus never lied because what He says is true because He says it.

It is my belief that the above is not biblically correct.

 

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Hmm.. so you don't believe in church discipline?
You can not bring discipline unless you have judged the actions of person.

What God said what no one is to judge is the intent of the action and a persons salvation. However the action itself is to be judged as to whether it was right or sin.

Or did not Jesus state:
Jhn 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."

Even Peter states - whether it be right in the sight of God to obey Him or you, you be the judge.

Or do you not know that the saints shall judge the world or that we shall judge angels? (1 Cor 6:2,3)

I guess we have different bibles.

No, your argument does not address my point but in fact denies the logic for the command in the first place.

We are commanded not to do some things because we can not do it without potentially bringing in sin.. and that is why the command to NOT do so is given. It establishes and corresponds to His nature. Therefore the command does IN FACT reveal His image and the fact that He would not do so in sin, allows for Him do it - because He can not go against His nature and seek vengeance for selfish and/or wrong reasons.

Hmm.. so you don't live by the same rules you give your own children.
There is a word for that you know, but then many parents tell their children not to do things while they live contrary the rules established.

The commands of God are not just rules that are meaningless but in fact have a definite purpose - they are given to conform us into the image of Christ (who is God). It is apparent you do not comprehend why some rules are given to keep us from sin, and others to establish us in righteousness. Both are reflections of God natures and establish just what God has done, is doing, and will do.

Actaully, they do

Thus you desire them learn, and to carry on, your values and beliefs.. both of which attest/represent your character. The very reason for you giving your kids rules and commands are to train up their character to reflect yours or at least the character you desire to have in Christ.

I knew this silly argument would be brought up.
Yes, even bed time rules reflect something about you otherwise you would not care. What do you want of them? To Shut Up and get out of your life for the next ?? hours. Is it that you don't care about their health or rest, but that you can't stand the sight of them?

Yes even bedtimes reveals part of your character.

*sigh. God does not take life without purpose (a just cause).
Ergo. God does not murder. We are commanded not to murder.
Yet we are commanded to kill (death penalty) but not without just cause.

Fortunately, the answer is yes.

No, your argument is preposterous, this was spoke to above.

Yep. He loved us so much He gave up Himself for our sakes.

Again, scripture establishes this beyond contention that it is to be answered - yes. He gave all for us, establishing that He esteemed us above himself. (1 John 3:16) That He should suffer and die on our behalf.

No, it reveals your ignorance on some of the most basic aspects in theology.

That is correct. Thus He can not say one thing and then contradict it. He does not 'abide' (try or to live by a view) for the sake of being because it is His nature and as such already is. You are not even addressing what I am saying but making up your own versions. I never said He must 'abide' by His own rules. I said His rules are established from/in His very nature. He doesn't have to 'try' to keep them, He naturally walks in them because they are His character.

He does this ONLY because those people have ALREADY chosen to not believe His truths. (2 Thes 2:10-12)

Again, God did not send this against those who were following Him but to those who were already rejecting God or hearing anything from Him they didn't like.

To try to even place these two passages together for your proof texts shows you have studied this little to none and are either regurgitating someone else, or you are reaching so hard to maintain your illegitimate view, you're making horrendous hermeneutic mistakes to give you proof-texts. The very context of the passages you give establish they do not conform to your version of their meaning

Again, He does have to do or live according to His commands/rules as though He is like us to try to be conformed into another image. He does them because they are His very character.

That is because you lack understanding of/in this.

 

:thumbs: Well stated Allan!

Luke does seem to make up his own version. Even Calvinistic/Reformed scholars speak of God's permissive/passive will in allowing sin verses what God actively accomplishes by his doing, but it doesn't appear Luke allows for such distinctions. Well, he does sometimes and then switches things up in the very next post.

I'd still like to see one scholar who says anything like God does the deed (sin) but its not sin because his motives are good...or God sins ("deceives") but because God does it is is not really sin...etc. Those I've read, in both camps, seem to indicate that God permits, allows or gives men over to deception and lies, but never indicate God being the "doer" or the one committing the deed.