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The role of deacon

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by webdog, May 3, 2007.

  1. Deacon

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    Yep Tim, lead by example!

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  2. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    I don't dictate, tim, contrary to what you believe. And guess what? The entire congregation I preach to respect me because they know I am concerned for their spiritual welfare.

    I do visitations when I am able. But I tell deacons to serve the natural needs before the pastor because that frees the pastor's time for study. That is Scriptually and doctrinally correct. The less time a pastor has to spend trying to meet physical needs, the more time he can spend attending to the spiritual.

    The Apostles said, 'It is not reason that we should leave the Word of God and serve tables.' The pastors job is primarily to be given to the Word of God so that he may equip the saints. If there is time after study to do visitation, then by all means, go. But don't let visitation keep you from being in the House of God when the doors are open for worship.

    I could use any excuse to stay out of Church if that were the case. 'My mother has cancer, therefore I should spend my time with her instead of being faithful to God in preaching His Word.' 'My son has a game and it is more important to spend that quality time with him at his game than be in the Church.' 'My neighbor's car broke down and I stayed home to fix it.'

    No excuse. Even the child who crushed his hand. As I said, there were people there attending to him, it is not like he was lost as I pointed out in the previous thread.
     
  3. rbell

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    My problems with this:
    • Your rationale sounds to me like the first two passers-by in the Good Samaritan story.
    • This ain't an adult we're talking about. It's a kid. Look at how Jesus treated kids.
    You sound like the disciples did..."Don't bother him. He's got important stuff to do."

    And of course, Jesus told us like it was.
     
  4. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    If the Word of God said the two passersby were headed to church and too busy to check on the man and it was wrong, I would agree with you. But it does not. Nowhere does it say they were on the way to Church.

    The boy was being ministered to last night. He was already at the hospital. It cannot be compared to the two who passed the dying man.

    You are comparing apples with oranges.
     
  5. tinytim

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    Yes, and as a Pastor, It is my job to represent Jesus...
    And I did exactly what Jesus would have done...
    May I remind you that Jesus was on a tight schedule, but took time for others...
     
  6. rbell

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    What do you think a "priest" and a "levite" did for a living?
     
  7. tinytim

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    One more thing, when I got the call, I had no idea how bad it was...
    I imagined the worse... thank God it wasn't..

    BTW, he is in surgery right now... I called a while ago and prayed with them because I had to be at church in a little bit....and couldn't be there today...And they understand... They are in very capable hands and the trauma has died down from when it first happened...
    But even now, I feel guilty for not being there, but I do have other priorities that I must meet...

    See, I don't use every excuse to miss church...
    Others are with them...

    Please pray that everything will go well. I will keep you updated...
     
  8. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Can you show me Scripture where Jesus forsook the assembling in the Synagogue on the appointed day of worship to go to visit the sick children?

    I can find Scripture where Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath and then confronted that man 'in the temple'. So Jesus even saw the importance of being in the temple. He did not let a healing stop Him from being in the temple at the time appointed.
     
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    I am glad that others are with the child and pray that the surgery goes well.

    But that raises another question? What priorities do you have at the church tonight?
     
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    The term here is "don't quit your day job." It would not be a good idea to try and be pastor of another church, especially ones around here. The votes would probably just not be there.
     
  11. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    I understand saturnneptune. The Word of God says in the last days there would be a famine for the hearing of the Word of God.

    Which again proves the mega-churches must be doing something wrong. We are in the last days and instead of the obvious falling away and unwillingness to hear according to the Word of God, these churches are adding to their numbers by leaps and bounds.
     
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    There is an important distinction between you and tim:

    • Tim has love for his people.
    • You have love for your legalism.
    May God have mercy on your church.
     
  13. tinytim

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    I am in School of Christian Studies classes.. if you must know..
    We are studying church history...
     
  14. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Again, no legalism. The Word of God is preached. I preach it because I love the people. And they know this.
     
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    HBSMN, your whining about growing churches is sour grapes on your part.

    It is wrong to malign churches you don't know anything about...and when you use God's word to condemn churches that you know nothing about, you are misusing the name of God. Bad move.

    Matthew 7:1 comes to mind.

    I have my theories as to why HBSMN's church is small...but writing them down would probably get snipped.

    But most people here have a good idea as to why.

    There are some wonderful, God-blessed, amazing small churches out there.
    Then there are others that are small for specific reasons. (ahem)
     
  16. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    And this has more priorities than being at the hospital with the family? Why is the preaching of the Word less of a priority than learning history or visitation?
     
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    My last post in this thread:

    HBSMN:

    We all know how you feel. Give it a rest. I'm leaving this thread. How 'bout following? Enough already.

    Bye.:wavey:
     
  18. tinytim

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    HBSMN, you are doing the work of the devil...inadvertantly, I hope.
    The very meaning of the word "devil" is "accuser of the brethern"

    You have accused me and my youth leader of lying... last night..
    You have accused my church of being brainwashed.
    you accuse me of making up excuses to miss church...
    you have accused a lot of other people on this board of different things...

    Quit doing Satan's job, and let him do it...
    Quit accusing the brethern.

    I answer to God, not you. (Thank God almighty!)
    Don't you ever call me a liar again.
    Don't you ever call my youth leader a liar.
    And quit accusing your brethren.

    NOw.. i've got to go....
     
  19. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Try John 7:24. We are to judge righteous judgment. That means test it to see if it lines up with the Word of God. The Word says there will be a great falling away from the faith. The Word of God says that there will be a famine for the hearing of the Word. The Word says that people will in the last days heap up to themselves teachers who will tickle their ears. That they will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

    When churches are growing as they are in the thousands, it is contrary to the Word saying they would fall away.

    Nothing legalistic or mis-judging at all. The Word of God foretold it. I see it happening and preach against it.
     
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    When posts contradict each other, someone is not right. That happened last night, as I recall.
     
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