Featured The same Children....Jn6.....Hebrews 2

The children given to the Son are those whom God Foreknew would recieve Christ and therefore were Predestinated to be conformed to the image of the Son.

Now the word for foreknow in the Greek is "proegnO" He Before Knew" and therefore "proOrisen" He Before Seizes."

Thayer gives the word foreknow as "proginosko" which means to have knowledge before hand, to foreknow, of those whom God elected to salvation to predestinate. Again He had knowledge of beforehand, that is knowledge of them before He chose them.

He knew them that would be totally knew them and thus seized or Predestined them and those were given to Christ based on the choice He knew they would make. He Knew everything about them before the foundation of the world.

Confirms those who are Christ are those who were chosen before the Foundation of the world that is chosen as Romans 8 says by God's Foreknowledge. How do we know that because both say we were predestinated.
Why were we predestinated because He knew us totally and without doubt knew everything about us even to the Choice we would make about salvation.

Christ was sent as the appeasing sacrifice for sin so that those who choose not to believe would have no argument that God didn't give them a chance.

How do we know that God knew us everything about us,

He knew every person who would call upon Christ. Paul said "The Lord knoweth them that are his." He "egno" Knew. Thayer uses "ginosko " to learn to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel, to become known, to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of to understand, to know, Jewish idiom for intimacy between a man and a women. To become acquainted, to know.

He knew all about those He chose and gave to Christ because of His omniscience He knew us before the foundation of the world and chose us to be adopted and conformed to Christ.

Notice it wasn't a random selection as some teach, He Foreknew that knew all about us and the sin we would sin and yet He knew too that we would Call upon His Name and Believe on the Son for salvation and thus we were predestinated.

 

You are a hyper-Calvinist. Spurgeon would call you that. He does not believe what you believe.

Spurgeon honestly exegeted the scriptures no matter what the truth of Scripture said. If it opposed Calvinism he would preach it any way. In fact many times the Calvinists were angry at him because he preached against a limited atonement.

There is no such thing as "Biblical Calvinist."

Here is what you said, just for a reminder:

no...they can hear the historic facts and claims of the gospel. but they CANNOT savingly grasp it unless enabled to by God.

--There is no possible way that Spurgeon agrees with that. The whole first paragraph of his sermon is entirely opposed to what you believe. Read it for yourself

There is hardly a statement in there that you believe.

They have all the knowledge they need to know but will not believe the gospel. They understand it, but will not believe it. They understand all the points of Calvinism (as Spurgeon defines them), but will not believe Christ.

It seems obvious that Spurgeon does not believe in reprobation as you do.

 

You are all over the place. Spurgeon was a Calvinist. He was opposed to hyper-Calvinism. He did not preach against Particular Redemption --he advocated it in numerous sermons.

In your world water must not be wet.

 

I note that you did not deny anything I said.

 

Saay Whaaaat?????????

 

Of course I did.

# 1 C.H.S. was a Calvinist. It is as plain as day. He was a five-pointer. Not that that encompasses the whole of Calvinism --it does not. But he was in agreement with the Canons of Dort.

"Many times Calvinists [fellow Calvinists] were angry with him because he preached against a limited atonement."

Spurgeon was himself a fellow Calvinist. How could his fellow Calvinists be angry with him regarding Particular Redemption? And you emphasized your error by saying "many times."

Please document your charges.

Spurgeon preached on the subject of Particular Redemption --in its favor.

You need to stop reading through the lens of David Cloud. Your vision of spurgeon is blurred.

You haven't the foggiest idea of any distinction between Calvinism and hyper-Calvinism. Hyper-Calvinists were against his ministry. He loved them as brothers in the Lord, but they took things too far.

 

God knew them i.e. he knew everything about them even the choice they would make for salvation and were therefore predestinated the greek word means seized so He seized them and called them to be his adopted Children and conformed to the image of His dear Son.

The quote was from my post I believe.

 

No problem. The way the statement was written was a bit confusing to me. That is all.