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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012.

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  1. glfredrick

    glfredrick New Member

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    I don't suppose it would help for you to know that I know a few of those authors personally, huh?
     
    #21 glfredrick, Feb 22, 2012
  2. mandym

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    I do as well
     
    #22 mandym, Feb 22, 2012
  3. glfredrick

    glfredrick New Member

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    That is not because it did not exist... That is because the TERM was not invented until some time after the time of John Calvin in the Reformation Period.

    Sheesh...

    Also, don't take your own bet. You have no idea.
     
    #23 glfredrick, Feb 22, 2012
  4. mandym

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    I am still waiting for his evidence.
     
    #24 mandym, Feb 22, 2012
  5. Michael Wrenn

    Michael Wrenn New Member

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    Neither do you.
     
    #25 Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012
  6. Michael Wrenn

    Michael Wrenn New Member

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    I am tempted to make you work for it by searching for it.

    (Hmmm.... should I or shouldn't I? Should I do all the work for him?)
     
    #26 Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012
  7. mandym

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    Look, when you make a claim it is customary in many settings to provide the evidence with your claim so that you make a reasonable point and so that you have some credibility. At this point you just not believable. Your behavior on this issue has been rather trollish rather than a reasoned argument. Help yourself by backing up your claims.
     
    #27 mandym, Feb 22, 2012
  8. Greektim

    Greektim Well-Known Member

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    Have you never read Augustine??? I'd say that the concept of calvinistic monergism goes back that far at least.
     
    #28 Greektim, Feb 22, 2012
  9. Michael Wrenn

    Michael Wrenn New Member

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    And since you are using that tone and accusatory remarks, you should go to the thread on Penal Substitution and look up the links I posted.

    I was accused of the same thing there -- until I posted the links, and then the accusers grew strangely quiet.
     
    #29 Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012
  10. Skandelon

    Skandelon <b>Moderator</b>

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    Yes.

    Augustine is the first records we have of the common mistakes of:
    1. Overly individualizing the concept of divine election...
    2. Interpreting predestination as being for particular individuals unto salvation; rather than for all those in Christ to be adopted and conformed.
    3. Assuming the work of the Holy Spirit in bringing the Gospel to save the lost as being insufficient.

    And

    Since He didn't know actual Greek we can understand how he might make these types of mistakes.
     
    #30 Skandelon, Feb 22, 2012
  11. mandym

    mandym New Member

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    Is this the post you are referring to?

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1803710&postcount=133
     
    #31 mandym, Feb 22, 2012
  12. Michael Wrenn

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    Yes, yes, I've read him. You are not correct. Here is a text about the church fathers and penal substitution which shows the facts about Augustine's position; scroll down for the part on Augustine:

    http://therebelgod.com/AtonementFathersEQ.pdf

    I wasn't going to post this again, here, but I'm doing it for you.
     
    #32 Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012
  13. Jerome

    Jerome Well-Known Member
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    Actually his devotees used the TERM during his lifetime.
     
    #33 Jerome, Feb 22, 2012
  14. mandym

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    From the article pg 3:

    Best I can tell the author is trying to make a distinction, very poorly, where there is none. Anyone else have some insight on this?
     
    #34 mandym, Feb 22, 2012
  15. Tom Butler

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    Most Calvinists I know agree.

    Further than that, I don't know of a Calvinist that would disagree.
     
    #35 Tom Butler, Feb 22, 2012
  16. Iconoclast

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    watch out, watch out....they are everywhere:thumbs: be careful....i heard they use the bible and speak about all those verses you do not like.
     
    #36 Iconoclast, Feb 22, 2012
  17. quantumfaith

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    Nice Post.

    "My church", that is where I and my wife worship, is non-denominational. We are a part of Northpoint Ministries (Andy Stanley) such issues, thankfully, are not "problems" or even discussions. We baptize new believers OFTEN. I know, membership in our church comes from all strands of the theological spectrum. What we do works for us, and I would argue that we are making a meaningful impact in our community for Christ.
     
    #37 quantumfaith, Feb 22, 2012
  18. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Calvinists in SBC .....Oh My, what a big supprise. Thought we eradicated them al l in '79..... peskey devils aren't they. :laugh:
     
    #38 Earth Wind and Fire, Feb 22, 2012
  19. mandym

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    In 79 ?...
     
    #39 mandym, Feb 22, 2012
  20. Luke2427

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    Thank you Skandelon.

    I could not agree more.

    I think it takes a good man to say these things when he occupies the opposite position from the one of which he speaks.
     
    #40 Luke2427, Feb 22, 2012
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