The seven "ones" of Christian unity (Eph 4)

I think you misunderstood everyone supported what you typed initially with regard to Ephesians 4. However, No one bothered with your argument against your initial post. Everyone it seems agrees with the initial post and have made no comment on your later post debunking the first post. It seems you've made some assumptions with regard to Pauls intent that may not be the case.

 

I am not sure I understand what you are saying! What did I misunderstand? Are you saying that I misunderstood their responses to my initial post with regard to Ephesians 4? Are you saying no one bothered to respond to my initial post because they are in agreement with it? Are you saying that my later posts debunked my former posts?????? Sorry if I am not following you, but please clarify?

 

Ok

I think people's responces

No.

Yes

They were an attempt to.

Does this help. Also I asked a question earlier. Do you have an answer?

 

As I understand you response, you think that my later posts were an attempt to repudiate my first post, is that correct?

 

Yes. But I'm sorry. I'm the one confused it was Water dude who made the 1st post. For some reason I thought it was you who made it. Maybe I misread the name at the bottom after you already posted. Ok I get it now. You're refutiating water dude. And you are responding in character to your beliefs. However, it seems most have disagreed with you.

 

Ok, now we are on the same page.

 

>Do you really buy into that kind of rationale??? Does God have more than one Savior, more than one kind of redemption? Are human beings different in nature from one dispensation to another?

NO! There is only one set of rules. Adam, Noah, The Patriarchs, the Prophets, Christians, misc. gentiles, and misc. Jews are all saved under the same rules. This is why it is foolish to think that modern unsaved Jews have different rules than unsaved gentiles.

 

I agree. Modern Jews must be saved the same way as ancient Jews as man is man and has had the same problem since Eden and God is God and has the same solution to that problem and there is no other solution to that universal problem.

 

I don't understand how it follows that there is two different modes of salvation.

 

This goes against the standard baptistic views with regard to ecclesiology. The standard view is that Jesus established the church in Jerusalem only. The apostels established other churches. Independent but for the faith.

 

What Christ built is a new institution "my congregation" (Mt. 16:18; 18:17) of which he goes on to speak about in its concrete form or plural "congregations" (Rev. 1-3; 22:16).

The epistles were written to such congregations and therefore the historical contextual "we" in the epistles are the writer and readers who "all" have in common with each other the same kind of membership in the same kind of congregations with the same kind of ordinances or to say it another way they were "all" like faith and order with each other.

 

Dr Walter, you posted...

(Bolding mine)

Augustine penned THIS?....

Funny, I could have sworn those came from the scriptures. :thumbs:

 

I'm just letting you know. The standard view by which some like Dr. Walter will disagree with your initial post. They view the verses you quoted as applying to Jerusalem and the apostlolic college.

Do you equate "Church" with "Kingdom"?

 

These are purely man made distinctions that the scriptures never explicitly state anywhere.

David was as much a "Christian" as we are. The term "Christ-ian" simly refers to a believer in "Christ" and "Christ" is the New Testament translation of the Old Testament "Messiah." Peter says that all the prophets preached that remission of sins were by faith in the Messiah. The writer of Hebrews explicitly states that Moses considered Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: - Hebrews 11:26

There may have been different human administrations (government, family altar, family preist, levitical priest, various ceremonial rites) that conveyed the same Savior, Same way of salvation and same gospel to the same kind of sinners but the Scriptures condemn as "accursed" any who teach there was another gospel, another Savior, another way of salvation than what Paul preached (Gal. 1:8-9) and he repeatedly says that his gospel, his way of salvation, his Savior is explicitly the same as preached by all the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Hebrews 4:2 - For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Jesus denies that before Pentecost there was any other way than one way (Mt. 7:13-14) and that way was through him (Jn. 14:6) for all mankind in all ages and that is still confirmed after the cross (Acts 4:12).

There have been only one kind of man born into this world - sinful (Rom. 3:9-21) and there have been only two classes of men in the world (1) saved (2) lost; or (1) Children of God; (2) children of Satan; or (1) In spiritual union with God or (2) in spiritual union with Satan; or (1) Regenerated or (2) unregenerated or (1) in the Spirit or (2) in the flesh. There never has been or never will be a third class in regard to any of the couplets above.