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Featured The Signs & Events of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

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  1. Hobie

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    There are signs of Jesus’ second coming and He told us to look for them:

    Luke 21:29-31 King James Version (KJV)
    29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
    30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
    31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

    So when you see these things happening, we can know that the kingdom of God is near.
    We see Christ laying down what will happen and the signs and events to watch for.

    Matthew 24:1-31 King James Version (KJV)
    1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
     
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    We see it repeated also in Mark.

    Mark 13:1-27
    1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
    2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
    4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
    5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
    6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
    8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
    9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
    10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
    11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
    12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
    13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
    15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
    16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
    17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
    19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
    20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
    21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
    22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
    23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
    24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
    25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
    26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
    27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

    And in Luke, so it was very clear what Jesus said.

    Luke 21:5-28 King James Version (KJV)
    5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
    6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
    8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
    9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
    10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
    11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
    12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
    13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
    14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
    15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
    16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
    17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
    18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
    19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
     
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    Now we are told that the day or hour is unknown, but we have to see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur which false christs and even satan will not be able to do or recreate. The return of Christ or His second coming to this earth is the event that will finally release the people of God from evil, and scripture outlines it for us.

    "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come." Joel 2:31

    "19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:19-21

    It can be argued that many of the events portrayed in these chapters have always existed on the earth, but never has there been a time when all these events were evident in the world simultaneously in diverse places.

    "The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness." Zephaniah 1:14-15

    "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear,"...Luke 21:25-26

    Jesus also predicted that tension between nations would increase prior to the Second Coming.

    For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Matthew 24:7

    The Greek word for nation used here is the word ethnos from which we get the words ethnic group. We don't have to look far today at the nations of the world. You may see them talk of peace and curtailing of war, but ethnic violence, even so-called ethnic cleansing is rife, and now race conflict is appearing.

    On the economic side, we see the instability and the value of commodities and goods evaparating, and distinctions between rich and poor are ever increasing. Economic woes and labour unrest are foretold for the last days, and we are seeing it.

    Your gold and silver have corroded, and their poison will be a witness against you, and will eat your flesh as fire. You heaped treasure in the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. James 5:3,4
     
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    False teachings and religions, and false christs will come up and stake their claims prior to the return of Jesus:

    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew. 24:24

    For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22

    We have already seen the signs of the imminent return of Christ which are given in the Scriptures which testify that the time is near. These include:

    An increase in knowledge - Daniel 12:4

    An increase in demonic activity (Spiritualism, Satanism, etc..)- Rev 16:13,14, 1 Timothy 4:1-7

    An increase in lawlessness - 2 Timothy 3:1-7

    Departure from the faith - 2 Timothy 4:3,4

    Rise of False teachings (evolution) - 2 Peter 3:3-7

    Increase in traffic (modern transport) - Nahum 2:4

    Of all these signs, the one with the greatest finality is:

    And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14

    We are told in scripture to study the signs and to pay attention, but, we are not to conclude that we can discern the day or the hour of His coming from these events. And if we study the nature of the coming of Christ and the purpose of His coming, then no one needs be deceived. Yet, hardly any of the main denominations or churchs teach the Biblical coming of Christ today. Most churches, if they preach about the second coming at all, preach a coming of Christ that will bring peace to the nations, but the Bible teaches a destruction of nations. They preach conversion of sinners at the coming of Christ when the Bible teaches that Christ will come to destroy sin and sinners. Lets take a look......
     
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    We see it clearly in these verses:

    Matthew 7:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Matthew 13:40-42 King James Version (KJV)
    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Luke 13:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
    26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
    27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
    28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

    Galatians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
    16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
    17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

    18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
     
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    Now we see the events that happen at the Second Coming, and one that is clear is the righteous dead are raised:

    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1 Thessalonians 4:16

    Only the righteous who are "in Christ" are resurrected at the second coming. The rest of the dead are not resurrected until after the 1000 year millennium:

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5

    The righteous are raised in the first resurrection and no longer face the second death and go to heaven, the unrighteous or wicked are not raised until the thousand years are finished:

    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.Revelation 20:6

    Christ speaks of the first resurrection of life for the righteous:

    28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:28-29

    Here, Christ tells us that all shall hear His voice. He talks of two resurrections "the resurrection of life", and "the resurrection of damnation". These two events are separated by a thousand years as we see from "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." in Rev 20:5. Now the righteous living are taken up with the righteous who have been resurrected:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

    The living righteous "we which are alive" will be gathered together with the resurrected righteous to meet the Lord in the air. The righteous living will not taste death, but will be translated as were Enoch and Elijah as we see here:

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

    The living righteous are changed "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet" and even more:

    20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
    21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Philippians 3:20-21

    Our bodies will be changed into the likeness of His glorious body.

    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure 1 John 3:2-3

    Neither the righteous saints who are living nor the dead in Christ who are resurrected will have to fear death anymore:

    8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.
    9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
    Isaiah 25:8-9

    But for the wicked their is another path "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" which is after the thousand years are finished, that leads to the second death:

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 2:11
     
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    What part of "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." are people today not understanding?

    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. - Matthew 24

    If this was anything but pre-trib it would be rather well announced, in which it is not. Jesus Christ could come today and take us away on that heavenly ark, or it could be decades down the road. Our duty is to watch and not let us overtake us as a thief today.
     
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    Are the righteous those who have kept the Sabbath, or trusted in lord Jesus alone?
     
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    Jesus won't return til immediately after the great trib. He said so Himself. There are quite a few events prophesied between now & then.

    The Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem. The "beast/antichrist" will come to power, commit the AOD, issue the marka the beast, etc. The "Gog-Magog" war will be fought.

    I believe the rapture will occur just before the trib begins, as God said He'd keep His people from the hour of trial. (Rev. 3:7)

    But there's nothing left to fulfill til the Jews build their new temple, or the antichrist begins his quest for power. I don't know which will be first.
     
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    True, Christ comes to take us up to heaven, not wander about on earth for a thousand years. Here is a good study on Revelation 20 that explains it...

    "In summary, this is what the Bible says about the 1,000 years:

    1. The righteous are raised at the beginning of the 1,000 years (vs. 4-6)
    2. The “rest of the dead” are raised at the end of the 1,000 years (vs. 5a)
    3. Satan is bound during the 1,000 years (vs. 3)
    4. Satan is loosed when the “rest of the dead” are raised (compare verses 5 and 7)
    5. Satan gathers the lost for a battle against God’s city (vs. 8)
    6. A judgment occurs, then the lost go into the lake of fire (verses 9, 14, 15)
    7. Then the old earth passes, and the new earth comes (21:1)
    It should be noticed that Revelation 20 does not specifically say that Jesus Christ will rule on earth during the 1000 years from the present city of Jerusalem...."

    Part 1: What the Bible Says About the 1,000 Years | White Horse Media
     
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    No, Jesus will rule from Jerusalem for 1K years, as Scripture says.
     
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    Read your bible, at the Second Coming, the first resurrection takes place and the righteous, the "blessed and holy," are raised for "over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years" (Revelation 20:6).

    We see the living righteous and the dead in Christ who are resurrected and they and the living saints are caught up "to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:17) and taken to Gods kingdom in heaven. Christ will fulfill the promise He made just before He left this world: "'I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also'" (John 14:2, 3).

    Jesus described the place to which He will take His followers as "'My Father's house,'" where there are "'many mansions,'" or dwelling places (John 14:2). Here Jesus refers to the New Jerusalem, which does not come to this earth until the end of the millennium. (Revelation 21:1-2)

    At the Second Coming, then, when the righteous "meet the Lord in the air," their destination is heaven, not the earth that they have just left. Christ does not establish His kingdom of glory on the earth at this time. He does that at the end of the 1000 year millennium. So the saints are in heaven with Christ, here is another study on this..

    Where will we be during the millennium? | News | Amazing Facts
     
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    What is the need for the temple when you have what it pointed to in Jesus Christ, false ideas put in by men following the father of lies. So lets look at what happens at this point and how, as 40 days after His resurrection, Jesus led His disciples to a clearing and a cloud of angels came and Jesus was raised up into the cloud.

    6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
    7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
    8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
    9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
    10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
    11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:6-11

    Jesus ascended literally, bodily, in full view of His disciples and followers. And note that as they watched Him go up, two angels appeared and said He would come back "in like manner" as He went up. Thus Christ's Second Coming will be literal, bodily, and visible to normal human eyes. Paul told the early believers to keep looking for the visible return of Jesus, not some 'Secret Rapture'. But one in which "every eye shall see him"....

    Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7

    During the millennium the thousand-year period which Revelation 20 shows us, Satan's will be bound or his influence over the earth will be restricted, and Christ will reign with His saints He has taken with Him to heaven.

    And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4

    So all that truly follow Christ will be in heaven. and will live and reign there for the thousand years. The saints reign as "priests of God and of Christ" and no longer have to fear the second death.

    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6
     
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    So at the Millennium or the 1000 year reign of Christ is with His saints, and the Bible says it is in heaven between the first and second resurrections, not on earth. During this time the wicked dead will be judged and the earth will be utterly desolate, without any living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his evil angels. We read in scripture what is the things that will happen to those who have rejected God :

    And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?' Revelation 6:15-17

    The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries. Psalm 110:5-6

    There is no peace or joy expressed here by these people and those who lead them at the second coming of the Christ. Those who are there at the end and continue in the hold of sin and iniquity rather than turn their lives to Christ and hate the saints and only want to destroy His faithful will be struck down at His coming. And God is not a respecter of persons and we see of position as the heads of nations will give an account for their actions as well as the people.

    And then shall the wicked be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

    These people will be struck down and their bodies will be strewn over the earth. Satan will be revealed for what he is, and he sees the results of his rebellion against God.

    And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth, even unto the other end of the earth; they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Jeremiah 25:33

    They cannot be gathered, lamented or buried because no living being will remain on earth.

    I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form and void; and the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, and all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens had fled. I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of the Lord, by His fierce anger. For thus says the Lord: 'The whole land shall be desolate; yet I will not make a full end.' For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black, because I have spoken. I have purposed and will not relent, nor will I turn back from it. Jeremiah 4:23-28

    Jeremiah says, "I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; and the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, and all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man".Jeremiah's use of the terminology found in Genesis 1:2, "without form, and void," indicates that the earth is to become comparable as it was at the beginning of Creation.

    Scripture shows the 1000 years after Christ takes up the saints to heaven and the earth then becomes desolate with nobody but Satan left on it. Since the righteous saints go up with Christ and the wicked are destroyed at His appearing, the earth stands for a time without human inhabitants.
     
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    Will just the Sabbath Keepers be there with the Lord Jesus?
     
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    The Jews will build the temple, GOD'S actual reason being so the antichrist can commit the abomination of desolation in it. (It won't ACTUALLY be a temple of God's, as Jesus won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as such.)

    The rapture will occur just before the great trib starts, & Jesus will return immediately after He cuts that trib short.

    Scripture does NOT say Jesus' 1K reign will be in heaven. It'll be ON EARTH, at Jerusalem.
     
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    Scripture says he rules from Jerusalem right now.
    Heb12:22-29
     
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    V. 22 says "HEAVENLY Jerusalem". But during the millenium, Jesus will rule from the EARTHLY Jerusalem.
     
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    Where does it say a 1000 yr reign on the earth?
     
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    The 1000 year reign of Christ is with His saints, and the Bible says it is in heaven between the first and second resurrections, not on earth. During this time of the 1000 years, the wicked dead will be judged and the earth will be utterly desolate, without any living human inhabitants. Scripture shows us the Millennium is the 1000 years after Christ takes up the saints to heaven and the the earth becomes desolate with nobody but Satan left on it, bound as it were with no one to tempt. Since the righteous saints go up with Christ and the wicked are smitten down at His appearing, the earth stands for a time without human inhabitants.

    If we really look we find that Scripture points to such a situation in Jeremiah:

    Jeremiah 4:23-25 King James Version (KJV)
    23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
    24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
    25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.


    Jeremiah's use of that same which is found in Genesis 1:2, "without form, and void," indicates that the earth is to become as chaotic as it was at the beginning of Creation.

    At the close of the Millennium or the 1000 years in heaven, Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The wicked dead will then be resurrected and face the final judgement of damnation, along with Satan and his angels at the Lake of Fire which will consume them and cleanse the earth of sin forever.
     
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