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The Soul Who Sins Shall Die

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jarthur001, Jul 14, 2008.

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  1. Jarthur001

    Jarthur001 Active Member

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    The Soul Who Sins Shall Die
    This verse has been misused and abused over the last few months by some wanting to change scripture to fit their doctrine. Its time we take a look at it.

    What does it mean?
     
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    It means you are accountable to God for your own sins and not the sins of another.

    Your wickedness is your own and your righteousness is your own.

    The sins of the father are not accounted to the son. Which means that Adam's sin was not accounted to Seth and Seth's sins were not accounted to his children and so on and so on and so on, until you get all the way up to me and you. However, we all die because of Adam's sin, but we become spiritually dead (separated from God) because of our own sin.
     
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    Thanks Amy for your reply.

    I want to address this a few ways.
    1st...If this be the case, how do you handle the atonement?

    Christ must be 100% man just as He is 100% God.

    If guilt of sin cannot be placed on another man, unless he himself has sinned, what does this do to the atonement?
     
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  4. Amy.G

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    First of all, are you questioning God's word when He said "his blood shall be upon himself"?
    We do not get to blame others for our sin. That is what God is saying.
    We are held accountable for our sins only. My son can't tell God that he sinned because his dad did. He will be accoutable to God for his own sins, not the sins of my husband.

    Obviously Christ could die for other's sin because He did. It was His choice; out of love for the world.


    Jhn 10:17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
    Jhn 10:18 "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."
     
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    I think Amy gave a good reply. :thumbs:

    This is what I think: The context is that people had been dying due to others' sins - for example, in the OT when parents worshiped false gods, or disobeyed God, their children were also sometimes executed by God.

    Here God is saying this is no longer the case.

    Jesus didn't die as a victim due to others sinning, he willingly took on sin in order to atone for them, and only Jesus, as the perfect Lamb, could do this. The atonment is not the same category as those who died due to the sins of parents, etc.
     
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    Christ had a body of flesh, but He is God. You can't compare him with mankind.

    Scripture says if we (mankind), give our bodies to be burned it would profit us nothing.

    No other name given under heaven, whereby a man can be saved. Hang us all, it won't profit nothing. Only Jesus, the only begotten Son of God.

    BBob,
     
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    Did Christ take your guilt?

    Was Christ guilty?

    Did He die for your sins?
     
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    What so ever sayeth the scripture:

    1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    BBob,
     
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    Was Christ 100% man as well as 100% God?

    Did Christ die for sins?

    If so...was Christ guitly?
     
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    Don't know where you going with this James, but knowing you, I know something is up.

    What so ever sayeth the scripture:

    1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    BBob
     
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    in other words he died?

    But was He guilty?
     
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    1 Cor 13

    21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,
     
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    No. WE are guilty.


    Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
    We have turned, every one, to his own way;
    And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

    He laid down His life for the sheep. It was His choice to do so. God planned it before He created the world, before sin even came into the world.

    Why do you ask what you already know?
     
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    No. And babies aren't guilty either, but they die.
     
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    If he was, then he would of died for His own sins.

    BBob,
     
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    Well this truth must be known or we fall into error. If Christ was not allowed by God to take my place, even if he was not guilty and I am the one guilty, then the death on the cross means nothing.

    So just to be clear. Was Christ allowed to take my guilt although he had never sinned? Was he allowed by the Father to die for my sins when it was me that was guilty?

    One yes will do....if you agree
     
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    1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    This says more than he died.

    BBob,
     
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    maybe you did not understand. Let me ask again.

    Was Christ allowed to take my guilt although he had never sinned?

    Was he allowed by the Father to die for my sins when it was me that was guilty?

    a yes or a no will do.
     
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    A big affirmative from me on that one James.
     
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    I don't understand what you mean by God "allowing" Christ to die. Christ IS God. He CHOSE to die in my place. That's why the cross means everything.
     
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