1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

The Soul

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Jim1999, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    shucks, Marcia,,We agree on something.....Bless.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  2. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Remember that scripture teaches us that a soul is a person. The soul will die both physically(leave earth) and spiritually(cut off from the holy Spirit), yet continue to exist aware of one's condition.
     
  3. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yay! Amen to that! :wavey:
     
  4. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    Maybe I am not a socialist, liberal hypocrite afterall. There is hope!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  5. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Then from your understanding, God did not create a soul in Genesis 2:7?
     
  6. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    1
    No, he created a living being which comprised of body/mind/soul or spirit.
     
  7. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    That particular verse has reference to a living person and not a seprate entity called "nephesh" or soul.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  8. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    But a living being is a living soul (nephesh)
     
  9. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    My Strong's states "nephesh".
     
  10. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yes, they are the same thing in many passages. IOW, nephesh often means a living being. It's like the example I gave about 300 souls perishing. That means 300 people perished.

    Gen 2.7
    7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. NASB

    And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. NKJV

    Then the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person. NLT

    NIV has "living being."
     
    #70 Marcia, Feb 28, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 28, 2009
  11. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Why do I feel like we are arguing for the same thing? :laugh:
     
  12. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    Have a look at Num 6:6, "All the days that he separated himself unto the LORD he shall not come at no dead "nephesh"..here "body".

    Then, consider Psalm 69:1, "Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my nephesh...generally translated as "neck" The KJV translates it literally as "soul" Nephesh..

    The word in Hebrew, Nephesh, has such a wide range of meanings in English it cannot be singularily translated as soul, but must depend totally on contex.

    Again, I say, it ain't so easy, is it?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  13. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I keep saying a living soul is a living person and Jim keeps saying No, Gen 2:7 does not say nephesh and you keep agreeing with Jim. THen I say yes it does say nephesh and you say Yes it does too! I feel like I am in a twighlight zone here! :tongue3:
     
  14. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    1
    Maybe we are!

    Well, I thought from previous comments you were trying to say God created a soul as the immaterial being as though he were creating the soul first or apart from the person, when Gen 2.7 is just saying that God created a person.
     
  15. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    If a sermon in a fundamentalist church looks like it might end in twenty minutes, try circumlocution, it will prolly last 30-40 minutes..........:laugh:

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  16. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Again, I think you are making it more difficult than it is.

    Dead body, dead soul, I don't see a problem with Numbers 6:6.

    Up to my soul, up to my neck, up to my body. If the water is up to your neck then I do believe you would be in fear for your soul/life.

    I believe soul means person and is generally understood as being a person in most of the OT.

    God Bless!
     
  17. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Well, I had to look that one up :tongue3: Might have heard it before, probably in one ear and out the other, else right over the top, but never seen it printed on the board before.

    Good one Jim! :thumbs:
     
  18. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    You mean those comments were I kept saying a living soul was a person? :tongue3: ...just kidding...

    Well, I am glad we got that settled.... :thumbs:
     
  19. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Back to the OP...

    a) The soul is the person. (Gen 2:7)

    b) The soul is related to life, it is a living soul, Gen 2:7

    c) The soul is connected to the brain, a living soul has a brain.

    d) The soul is YOU, the soul's body, YOUR body, will die and one day be ressurrected to never die again.

    :jesus:
     
  20. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    Circumlocution can be a really good teaching tool. I often employed it in a class when certain students had all the answers even before I taught the questions. I took them in circles until they arrived at the answer of their own volition. How brilliant they were!

    When that didn't work out, I tried the other one of reminding them that I may be wrong, but remember, I mark the papers!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
Loading...