The Sword of the Lord is an APOSTATE Baptist Newspaper!

I knew it was too good to be true

 

WinDork,

the question about your job was merely to point out that as Baptists who believe in local church authority we can still be involved in things outside of our local church.

If we work a secular job then we are submitting to an authority outside of our local church. The same goes for if we are a member of our local YMCA, or if we let our kids be a part of Boy Scouts.

The SoTL doesn't claim to be a church. It also does not claim to have any authority over anyone at all. As a newspaper it is a reporting agency, it picks local church pastors and publishes some of their sermons, and it has an editorial where a man can share his opinion with others. Hey, sounds like the BB!

Its actually more like a business than a ministry anyway...right? You do pay for the subscription, right?

 

I guess I'm can post here and feel like I'm in the majority...because I like the SotL I don't get to be in the majority often

I'm not so concerned by their stand on KJVO...that's their opinion and if other's opinions meant that much then I wouldn't be able to post here with you NIV-ers & ASV-ers
Either way, whether you like a ministry or not I believe that claiming any such ministry is 'required' to be under the authority of the local church is in fact extra-biblical. John the Baptizer & Jesus were shunned by the "local church" and we find that the local church varied through-out the Bible...so what is our example besides the fact that Paul fellowshipped with other Believers?
The SotL doesn't claim any church authority, doesn't administer the Lord's Supper, doesn't perform any baptisms from their offices, doesn't assign pastoral leadership to Mr. Shelton...so on and so forth!!

PS. I am not KJVO...I'm Only KJV

 

What are the criteria for becoming an apostate Baptist newspaper?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

Windork, please accept my apology. You called SOTL a name and I did it back. My error.

Now, can we get a viable answer for why you think the SOTL is apostate?

 

Buzzzz! Wrong.

quoting from BOTH PAPERS...

and the Baptist Pillar

My Point, they are NOT published by individuals, but rather LOCAL CHURCHES.

and let's take this to the Word, you think Paul went straight from Damascus to his missionary trips... wrong...:

The he went to Antioch...:

Sorry gents, them be the facts.

-TheWinDork </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, WinDork, according to your post, then, the church at Antioch must have had control over Paul's ministry. I strongly disagree. This would violate the Baptist distinctive of the priesthood of the believer.

Furthermore, when Paul and Barnabas were sent out by the church at Antioch on their first missionary journey in Acts 13, the Greek word used there for "sent" in v. 3 is not the normal apostello or pempo, but apoluo, which is a very strong word which sometimes even means "divorce." A careful reading of Acts will reveal that the local church at Antioch exercised absolutely no control over the ministry of Paul and Barnabas while they were away from their home church serving God.

If I get this straight, you are saying that your definition for "apostate" is any ministry that is not under the umbrella of the local church. Is that your definition? Please give Scripture for this. In order to prove your point you must actually give Scripture saying that (1) all ministries must be under the authority of a local church, and (2) any ministry that is not is condemned by God.

I double-dog dare you to give such Scripture for your position! There isn't any!

The apostle Paul said about those who preached the Gospel trying to get him in trouble, "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice" (Phil 1:18). Whatever your differences with Shelton Smith, you should rejoice that he and the Sword are preaching the Gospel.

 

What local church controls BB that windork posts on?

Isn't that just the same?

By him posting on BB, he is supporting a organization that is not under the authority of a local church..

Let's see... so that makes the BB "apostate" according to windork's logic.

Since he is a member of BB, does that make him an "apostate"?

 

Tim, it is only apostate if we have communion and/or baptisms....so please pass the wine...I mean the juice

Please note heavy use of sarcasm

 

Aha, tinytim. Good point. The answer should be interesting.

Windork, on a similar theme, do you use a Scofield Bible or any other Bible not printed by a local church printing ministry? Do you have any Christian books in your library not published by a local church ministry? If so, by your definition, you are supporting apostate ministries.

As I said the last time I ate sushi, "I'm waiting with baited breath for more!"

 

WOW!!! JoJ, that ones bad even for Japanese humor

 

I think WinDork is a very zealous young man who is on fire for the Lord. I also think his critisism is not well thought out.That would be because nobody has challenged his thinking in this regard.From the last two pages of responses I would say his thinking in regard to the SoTL has been properly challenged.

I am not saying that WinDork can't think for himself ,but a lot of the kind of thinking and rhetoric he was passing on to us is taught by none other than "the pastor".

 

WOW!!! JoJ, that ones bad even for Japanese humor </font>[/QUOTE]So sorry. I repent in dustcloth and ashes, as once said a certain brilliant but occasionally scatterbrained lady who worked for decades at the SOTL.

 

You are probably right, Bill. I trust and hope that this thread will be helpful to him.

 

WinDork,

You got kind of edgy when people asked you personal questions and I had that typo. But by your reasoning we can call you anything we like and do whatever we want because the standard is whatever we set.

You call SOTL apostate but give no viable Scriptural evidence.

You're operating on a double standard and as such can not enter into any real debate.

The majority of posts have been quite gracious and all you can do is fire off senseless statements in return.

So, are we all apostates? Are you saying no one that posted here will be in Heaven?

 

or anyone that just reads the SOTL?

Again I ask why are you posting, windork, on a message board that is not under the authority of a local church?

Your posts are being published to the world,
the same way Mr Smith's articles are published.
It just so happens that you are posting via the web, he is posting via print.

But neither you nor he are posting under the authority of a local church, so when you post, (by your own definition of apostate) you are in fact being an apostate...

I mean that in a sense to only show you that your definition will come back and bit you, if you are not careful.

 

So, Windork, now we are all apostates for defending the SOTL???

Can you answer tinytim's questions? They are very logical and well put. Tell us why you are not apostate for posting on the BB.

 

Windork.
I am sorry to inform you that your local church called, and since you have decided to publicly publish your views here outside to auspices of this said church, you are now an apostate as well.

 

Ever? wow....what if there are copies in heaven? I'm not suggesting there will be, I'm just curious as to any grounds that might cause you to change your mind.

 

Even if you should be proven wrong?