The Ten Virgins -5 were Foolish

I actually agree with you on most of this Claudia. They were turned away because they didn't have the Holy Spirit, they weren't any of Christ's. Mere profession doesn't mean genuine salvation and the walk of professing Christians is a great indicator of a genuine profession.

But in the great scheme of things, we just don't know for sure. We all fall short everyday, we all sin everyday. The Lord knows all those who are His. The key is the inward man, the most important place is a place only God can see. If there is open unrepentant sin for a prolonged period of time, then we can come to the conclusion that the profession wasn't genuine. The same can be said of those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit. You'll know them by thier fruit. They never had forgiveness. Also those who turn from truth to a lie: apostasy. A professed Christian denouncing Christ and coverting to Islam was never Christ's. If they were of us, they would have stayed with us.

Now, on the other hand, just because someone doesn't drink or smoke or curse or watch television, attend church every Sunday (or Saturday) doesn't mean thier profession is any more true than that of the apostate. Behavior is a good indicator but we can't see the inward man. Now I'm not advocating drinking, smoking, cursing etc., but just because someone doesn't do it, does not in any way mean they are closer to heaven than those who do. Moralism is just as dangerous as antinomianism (literally lawlessness). They're ditches on opposite sides of the road we're to walk.

The Holy Spirit is our Comforter, given by God, to work in us holiness and sanctification. Now we lie if we say that we have no sin, yea, we make God out to be a liar. If we are honest, we will confess that we sin everday, and God will forgive us in His mercy. The Spirit is given by God by the means of the hearing of faith, not by works of the Law. Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ and Christ alone, because it is His fulfillment of God's Holy Law that justifies us in God's sight.

By grace, through the means of faith, Christ's perfect righteouness is imputed to us, we are given the gift of the Holy Spirit, God's seal of promise to all those that believe. The Holy Spirit changes the inward man, something we can't do. We can change outward behavior, and seem holy, as the Pharisees, but inwardly be filty as a nonbeliever is outwardly.

There is a fine line, we are called to be faithful and do good works, but there must be an inward change beforehand. That change is something only God can do. Then afterwards, we can say, show me your faith by your works. If we humans see no works, we see no faith, no sign of an inward change. God has no such bounds, God knows who are His, God sees the whole of a man. Many very outwardly moral professers will be in hell, just as many lawless professors will also be there.

The antinomian says, "I've accepted Christ, there is no law for me now." , then sins to his evil hearts content. I say to him, "Christ died to save us from sin. We're called to be holy, we're called to put off the deeds of the flesh, if you have no fruit to match your confession of Christ, you don't have Him. There is no outward evidence of inward change.Repent, and put your trust in Jesus Christ alone, strive to mortify sin in your life."

The moralist says, "I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't dance, I don't associate with people who do. I've attended every church service and every prayer meeting and function for 25 years. I've been a deacon for the last ten years. I've not lied for a very long while, I'm not a slave of pornography, I've never commited adultery, and I don't associate with people who do any of those things. I will surely see heaven." I say to him, "It's commendable that you have not done those things, but don't you know one sin is enough to merit hell. You say "I've done this, I've done that", but outside of Christ, those very things are filthy rags and detestable in God's sight. Your pride is your downfall, repent of your dead works, do not trust in them, because your just reward for doing them is eternal hellfire. There is no such thing as sinless perfection apart from Jesus Christ. We are counted righteous though faith in Christ, but we still sin, I don't know anyone who doesn't. Be humbled, and trust not in your works to justify, but the work of Christ which is the only work that is able to please God."

May God help us to see the truth that being saved is not a free pass to do whatever you want, and that just because we're outwardly holy doesn't mean we're any closer to heaven.

Salvation is through Christ and Christ alone. It's a spiritual work of God that WILL produce outward change. Holiness and obedience do not produce a change in the inward man, but once the inward man is changed, those things will not absent. Thus the antinomian and the moralist are refuted.

Lord, grant us repentence of our sins, and of our dead works, help us to see that we are responsible for what we do, and that salvation is a thing that only You work in us. It's hard for us to reconcile those things, but favor us to do so. In Christ's most Precious and Holy name, and soley by the merit of His perfect atonement, Amen.


Grace and Peace be with you all,
Dustin

 

Dustin

I understand what you are try to telling us of Matt. 25:1-13.

I have been read Matthew chapter 25 many times. There are three passages in Matthew chapter 25. The ten virgins of verse 1-13; The Talents of verse 14-30; and The Judgment Day of verse 31-46. All of these are so overwhelmed mention of conditional with warnings. Impossible to see security salvation such as unconditional security salvation as what baptist teaching. Most baptists are pretribulation. They saying of Matthew 25 is for Jews only. This is type of dispensationalism teaching. Some baptist pastors saying of the ten virgins are Jews in the tribulation period. Some baptist pastors saying of ten virgins apply to us, if we do not be ready and not have the oil, once the door closed, then miss the opporunity of salvation, that mean the seven year of tribulation period begins.

You have to understand, Christ use these passages of Matthew 25 as illustration apply our spiritual life with practical preparation to face judgment day. These are not take literally, but illustration to show us that He want us to understand about our spiritual life, what Christ expects us to do for Him. I can easily see warning in all three passages. Impossible to see unconditional security salvation in these passages.

At the first place all ten virgins did HAVE oil with them. All ten virgins did use oil. Show that they are already saved at the first place. Same with prodigal son of Luke chapter 15.

Then, aftrerward, while the five foolish virgins wasted their oil, and not think of being prepared at the last minute. The other five wise virgins are well prepared, and do not waste their oil, because they are aware and be prepared to meet their master anytime no matter during daytime or in the nighttime. Their master could come during daytime. I am sure that all ten virgins are easily coming to their master in the bright day, do not need their lamps. Why does Christ mentioned about their master coming at the midnight in the dark? Christ's point is, BE READY, have oil enough to put it in the lamp to light it on. Be prepared. Without have oil, impossible to see in the dark, or could be stumble and get hurt. The five wise virgins with remain oil, they do not waste their oil. Because they are aware that, never know what if their master come at the midnight, they ough always be ready, to preserve some oil left to light the lamp for nighttime in the dark, so they can walk in the dark with lamp to see the path lead them to master's place safety.

The five foolish virgins use oil too much and waste it too fast, not think of perseve some oil remain left for prepare to meet their master.

When the midnight comes, their master comes, the announcement cry that their master is arrival. The ten virgins hear the announcement. Then, all of them get up and get ready. But the five fool virgins do not have oil with them. Their oil are empty. They ask another five wise virgins for borrow oil from them. The five wise virgins told them, sorry cannot loan oil to them, because wise virgins need their oil to light their own lamps, to guide them on the path in the dark to meet their master safety. So, the five fool virgins have to be hurry begging any person for need oil. Once all five wise virgins enter into master's place, the door shut and closed. Then, the five fool virgins ran toward the door and knock beg their master to let them come in. Their master saying to them, 'Sorry I do not know you.' The door closed, it shows that the opporunity of salvation is toooooooo late.

It shows the picture of Christ's coming, once the thief come, angels shall grab unjust without expection and preparation in the air, and shall thrown them away into the fire.

That why Christ warns us that we ought be watch and be ready for His coming. Because his coming shall be like as thief.

What if we do not watch and ready, then we shall be end up as thief, and shall be cast away into the fire - everlasting punishment separate from God.

That is a serious warning from the Lord.

Impossible to see unconditional security salvation throughout chapter 25. I cannot find a single verse throughout the four gospels that, Christ teaching us of unconditional salvation. I can see so much overwhelmed condtional salvation with warnings of his teachings throughout the four gospels.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

If the five that had no oil had no holy spirit how do you say they were saved? White robes of purity??? Our robes will become white when they are washed in the blood of the lamb.

 

You made me go and read the parable;

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

I don't see anything about a robe. I see 5 saved virgins and 5 unsaved virgins. When it came time for the wedding, the 5 unsaved asked the 5 saved for some of what they had which would get them into the wedding. The 5 saved responded with this thing we have (salvation) cannot be shared, you have to go get it where we got it.

Maybe over simplified but this is the gist.

 

I agree brother and I also note there in NO mention of robes, much less white robes or raiment.
What is of most note is that they had the APPEARANCE of godliness but were in fact not. They were virgins - this shows they DID what was expected (kept those commandments to appear unspotted) they claimed they were espoused (calling Christ Lord) they even had their works with them (lamps).

The difference was self suffiency (bringing no extra oil but rely on one ability to be suffient) the other is dependency. They depended not on their ability to maintain but Gods and is why they brought extra.

And when it came down to the hour of His calling the one group who were dependent upon their suffientcy realized it wasn't good enough it was to late for them. This is why the wise tell them to go and buy...we see they used they inability against them to show them their folly. But they still thought they could do it. They could still make it of their own suffiency. but when they came the door was shut and it was to late. They trusted in their ability to gain admittance but in the end it was the Wises dependency that saved them.

 

DeafPostTrib,

I'm not a Baptist, nor a dispensationalist. I'm Amillenial and I attend a Presbyterian church, which I'm shortly going to join, Lord willing. Just for the record.

I also don't consider much of anything Dan Corner says to be theologically sound. He is a moralist to the core. Too man-centered to be edifying. If you go back and read the post again, you'll see that both the antinomian and the moralist have twisted views of salvation. Dan Corner does good to refute antinomianism, but does nothing but turn whoever reads his work to some form of moralism. "If you smoke a cigar and drink a beer while listening to rock music, and you die before you repent, you'll go to hell." Though those things are frowned upon by most of Christianity, it isn't the acts themselves that sends one to hell, it's the inward nature of the sinful man that is more than enough to send him to hell.

Though I'm sure his intentions are good, he does nothing but make the sinner focus more on himself and his actions than on the finished work of Christ. He hates Calvinism and all Calvinists, anyone who says the Christ is the be all and end all of salvation. He completely ignores biblical teachings such as election,reprobation, predestination, and the complete soveriegnty of God. I've actually listened to and read a lot of his stuff, and I've never heard him refute anything but the strawman of OSAS, which in fact is not the true strawman of OSAS, but yet another one he makes and beats to death. The only reason he mentions things like election and predestination is because the Bible actually includes those words. He never expounds on them or anything.

He can't refute them, because they are there very clearly. He simply ignores them, and presses his desired point of anathamatizing (sp) any who believes in that one point. He does though, rightly refute much of the antinomian teachings today, but he is so off on everything else, I can't recommend anything he does.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Dustin

 

If this is where Dan Corner is leading you, you need to throw his book in the dumpster where it belongs. The five foolish virgins had no oil to begin with.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Dustin

 

LeBuick,

You say,

Poor arguement.

Given white robe to them, who are for the overcomers ONLY at the judgment day.

Right now, we do not yet receive white robe. We are not yet victory, we are still in battleground, while we are on the narrow road of Matthew 7. When we make it all the way to the "finish line", then we will vicotry, then we shall be 'overcomer' and shall receive the white robe, that shall be at the Judgment Day.

Dustin,

Wedding shall not take place till second coming of Christ of Revelation chapter 19.

Right now, the living saints on earth are not yet marry to Jesus Christ. The truly saints are already engaged with Jesus Christ of Eph. 4:30. Awaiting for our body to be redemption at Christ's coming, then we all shall be marry to Christ. That how we all shall receive white robe. White robe is for the overcomers only!

What if suppose a person failed to victory at the end, shall not receive robe, shall be ashamed at Christ's coming and shall be send to everlasting fire - Matt. 25:30.

Matt. 25:1-13 talking about be preparation and be watch and ready, or what we do not be preparation and ready, what will be happen to us at Lord's coming?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Dustin,

Matthew 25:30 bothers me the mostly whilst myself was securist. That was LONG time before I read Dan Corner's book. No. Dan Corner's book does not lead me. God's Word caused me into trouble because of security salvation doctrine whilst myself was securist, because of what baptist church taught me.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

No the argument is sound and exact.

Claudia stated all 10 Virgins RECIEVED white robes BEFORE the Bridegroom came. No they did not.

 

So there is no security in Christ? You're in one minute, and out the next?

 

Allan,

Oh, that's right. I didn't realize what Claudia_T's post saying earlier. She says:

Claudia, you have to be careful what you saying as what you intepreting Matt. 25:1-13. Notice the context of this passage say nothing that the ten virgins already have white robes on. But, I would like to hear what you will reply to us about robes, probably I am misunderstand what you was trying to tell us. I want to make sure clear what you was actual saying to us about the ten virgins and robes when you will reply it to us.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Dustin,

We are security in Christ long as we continue following Christ - John 10:27-29.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

So if you commit a sin, are you still following Christ? Security ultimatly is decided by what we do, and not what Christ has done?

 

Dustin,

You ask me:

Christ tells us, we cannot serve two masters at same time, we must serve one master all the time. Today, too many baptists, and other religions claim they follow Christ, yet they are practice sins daily. So, therefore, Christ doesn't approve them that they are his truly disciples while commit sins same time. There's lot of hyrocrites everywhere.

I am sure that many baptists always saying they do follow Christ, but I cannot see them at their home or anywhere while they are hide from me. Only God knows their secert deeds, while they are commit sins daily, so, no Christ is not hold their salvation while they are commit sins and serve two masters same time. They MUST choice their own master at a one time daily.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Claudia,

Good Morning!

Ahhhh! I have been read Rev. 7:14 many times. I never thought of this verse. It says, "and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them WHITE in the blood of the Lamb."

Also, in Revelation chapter 14 talks about virgins. Virgins, these who are godly life and walk in the holy without sins.

At the first place, Christ called them 'virgins' of Matt. 25:1 - "ten virgins". So, therefore, they are also 'saints'. The word, 'saint' means, the holy one. All of them have lamps. No doubt, all of them must already have oil with them in the first place. Then, afterward, all of them did use oil to light their lamps. But, the 5 wise virgins manage oil correctly, not to waste oil so fast. The other five fool virgins use oil often so quickly, and not think of perserve some left of oil, for their preparation to meet their bridegroom. Because, they have no idea WHEN their bridegroom shall come. The five wise virgins are smart enough, that they are preparing and be aware of unexpecting appearing. Christ describes of His coming shall be LIKE AS "thief in the night" show that, it is suddenly appearing upon the world to be shocked and without expecting. So, the five wise virgins are not stupid, and they are aware of their bridegroom might come anaytime without expecting. Also, the five virgins are wise enough to save some oil left FOR night in case, what IF their bridegroom appearing during nighttime. They need oil to light lamps, so, they can walk in the path in the dark to use lamps to guide them toward their bridegroom's place.

The other five fool virgins do not think of being preparation to save some oil in case what if their bridegroom appear during nighttime. Because, they would stumble in the dark, cannot see the path, that mean, they could be easy get lost in the dark.

Back to Rev. 7:14 - 'Washed their robes'. In my mind, at the first place, they already "have" their robes, show that they did received or accept Christ at salvation. But, their robes are NOT yet being washed into 100% pure white as snow. Because they are being sanctified in the process during their lifetime. When once after a person trust and believe in Christ, then a person is already in the "Start line" for the race. A person is not yet already "offically" being label, 'overcomer' of Rev. 3:5. We are now in the race and walking on the narrow road of Matthew chapter 7. We are not yet reach to "Finish" line. Arrived at the "Finish" line - means, that we shall be finished and victory at our death or Lord comes. THEN, we shall be 'overcomer'. Right now, we are not yet overcomer. We are now soldier of Christ. We are in the battlefield without spiritual life.

Rev. 16:15 says: "Behold, I come as a thief Blessed is he THAT WATCHETH, and KEEPETH his garments. lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."

That means, we are responsible to watching and keeping my robe.

In my mind, we do not have literal 'robe'. But, in Eph. 1:13-14 telling us, when after we believe and trust in Christ, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Securists often emphasis on Eph. 1:13 because of 'sealed' proved that we cannot lose our salvation, because the Holy Spirit already sealed in us.

Wait a minute. Ephesians 1:13 does not stop or end. Look next verse 14. It says, our inheritance is being down payment(earnest) UNTIL the redemption of the purchased possession. Ephesians 1:14 makes me think of engaged.

We are now engaged with Jesus Christ, that does not mean we are offically "married" with Christ at our salvation during our lifetime. Having Holy Spirit in us, Holy Spirit is the picture of 'being engaged'.

We all shall be marry to Jesus Christ of Revelation chapter 19 shall be take place AT the second coming after tribulation!!!!

Let's back to Rev. 7:14 again. Notice it says, 'keepeth his garment'. I understand it clearly, that means we must keep His commandments- John 14:15; Rev. 14:12; and other verses, so, we shall NOT be being 'naked' or ashamed at his coming.

What if we do not watch and be ready for His coming, then we would be cut off and cast into the fire in the Judgment Day.

Obivously, Matthew 25:1-13 talking about conditional with warning, it is speak to US as individual, not just for Jew sor supposed future tribulation saints.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!