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The Triquestra - Holy or Unholy Trinity

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by standingfirminChrist, May 11, 2006.

  1. webdog

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    I find this discussion coincidental. I am opening an LLC with the name Trinity Properties LLC, and I am going to have the triqueta as the logo shadowed behind the name. You know where I got the picture from? An old NKJV.
     
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    Soooo, has this discussion changed your mind, Webdog?
     
  3. webdog

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    No, not really. I think it is a cool looking symbol that ties into the name, and gives a visual of The Trinity, too.
     
  4. Ransom

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    SFIC said:

    The triquata, triqueta, triquesta, or whatever form of the word is used is sold as jewelry for the wiccans.

    And big, gaudy gold and silver crosses are standard "bling" for rappers and other degenerate thugs. What's your point? That the pagans and other idiots of the world get to steal our symbolism? Tough. We're stealing it back.
     
  5. Scott J

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    Noticed you've now hidden that pagan symbol... Do you think you are fooling us? You've already been caught and we know that you are here to drag others into the occultic worship of the Tiger-god.

    In fact, considering your extra-biblical dogma against all alcohol consumption... The Tiger-god religion must be one of the asceticism... Maybe that's it... Maybe you are monk in the Tiger-god religion.

    Of course I am being silly and facetious... but no more so than you are.
     
  6. Scott J

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    You should have researched Tiger symbolism in the occult too... but you didn't... or did you?
     
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    Scott,

    I did not take the tiger off because it is pagan, I took it off because apparently it offends some. The tiger is not pagan.

    Now, will you follow the Word of God and stop defending that which is pagan, the Triquestra?
     
  8. standingfirminChrist

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    Ransom, yes, and for those rappers the cross is pagan, cuz they do not serve the Lord of the cross, nor do they know him.
     
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    Your attacking me for standing for the things of God and against the things of satan tell me who you really serve.
     
  10. Mexdeaf

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    So therefore for me the triquesta is not pagan because I do not serve Satan.

    Titus 1:15- Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
     
  11. Ransom

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    SFIC said:

    Ransom, yes, and for those rappers the cross is pagan, cuz they do not serve the Lord of the cross, nor do they know him.

    And therefore, for me the triquetra is not pagan, because I do serve the Triune God whom it represents, and I do know him.
     
  12. Scott J

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    The Tiger is every bit as pagan as this other thing. That's my whole point. You are being double minded.

    I am not offended that you have a tiger... I am demonstrating the absurdity of your argument by using an equally absurd argument against you. I know you are not a pagan and weren't using the tiger as a pagan symbol. It symbolizes only what you intended when you put it on your photo.

    The same is equally true for "whatever you guys have decided to call that shape". The NKJV folks said it represents the trinity to them. There is absolutely no contradictory evidence to that claim.... so that is PRECISELY what it means when it appears on the cover of a NKJV Bible. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Your continuing argument that it is an association with paganism is every bit as stupid as my facetious argument against your tiger.
     
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    If the triquestra represents the Holy Trinity, why do the wiccans use it in their cult? why is it on tarot cards, why is it on Led Zeppelin's albums?

    And, I might add, it was on the tarot cards years before it was put in the NKJV Bible.

    Satan really got you guys blinded.
     
  14. Ransom

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    If the triquestra represents the Holy Trinity, why do the wiccans use it in their cult?

    I don't give a care whether the "wiccans" say the triquetra represents maid, mother, and crone or rock, scissors, and paper or Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart. I don't let the pagans' foolishness bother me. They are inconsequential. So is your ridiculous hand-wringing over a stupid triangle.

    why is it on tarot cards, why is it on Led Zeppelin's albums?

    What am I, a mind reader? Maybe John Paul Jones thought it looked cool. One of Led Zeppelin's albums had the Hindenburg on it, too: maybe you think flying in balloons is pagan as well. Who cares?
     
  15. Marcia

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    This is my area of ministry -- the belief in the triple Goddess is relatively recent. It's not an ancient belief. The religion of witchcraft started in the 20th century.

    There is a generic witchcraft which is a word that, until the modern religion of Witchcraft came along, was used to refer to general occult practices (like casting spells, using magical potions, etc.).

    The image of the Triple Goddess was developed by Robert Graves in his book , The White Goddess , which came out in 1948. This is one of the ideas used by Gerald Gardner, founder of the modern Wicca/Witchraft religion. So if this symbol existed before the late 1940's, then it could not have symbolized the maiden, mother, crone triple goddess.

    There is no evidence for ancient goddess worship other than goddesses being worshipped as consorts of gods.

    It is likely that Wiccans are claiming the Triquestra as a symbol for the Triple Goddess, but it is probably a recent development.

    This Atlantic Monthly article delves into that and mentions some other sources on it.
    http://jbburnett.com/resources/atlmo-goddesses/atl-mo-allen-goddesses.html
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    //KJV Ezra 8:36 And they delivered the king's commissions
    unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors on this side
    the river: and they furthered the people, and the house of God.

    //NKJ Ezra 8:36 And they delivered the king's orders
    to the king's satraps and the governors in the region beyond
    the River. So they gave support to the people and the house of God.
    ...
    //In my 11 years of education (of which, I never failed a grade),
    I never once heard the word 'satrap',
    yet I learned the word 'lieutenant' before I even reached the 6th grade.

    //I am also quite sure any 6th grader today would know what a lieutenant is
    but would not be able to identify a satrap.//

    Interesting, are you arguing that the nKJV is the better translation?

    If one knows that 'lieutenant' means and doesn't know what
    'satrap' means, then one can learn something from the nKJV.
    If one sticks only to the KJV, one might get the wrong
    understanding of the verse.

    Here is my 1982 dictionary: THE RANDOM HOUSE COLLEGE DICTIONARY:

    satrap - 1. a governor of a province
    under the ancient Persian monarchy
    2.

    lieutenant - 1. Army or Air Force officer, O1 or O2
    2. Navy officer, O4
    3. a person who holds an office, civil
    or military, in subordination to a superior for whom he acts.


    Using the 'satrap' definition we see the Holy Bible, correctly
    translated, defines 'satrap'.

    Using the 'lieutenant' denifion we don't see the Holy Bible
    defining the term.

    'satrap' can only mean civil (non-military)
    whereas 'lieutenant' doesn't define clearly
    civil or military - again, 'satrap' is the clearer
    and better translation.


    Frequently words like 'and' must be interperted from the
    context. 'Satrap' here helps us see the 'and' following
    is cojoining two equal sets (both sets contain the same
    members but have different titles): the 'satraps'
    are the 'governors. By contrast 'lieutenant' seems to
    imply two different sets: one military, one civil.
    Again, 'satrap' is the clearer and better translation.

    //In reading commentaries, I see the satrap was in rank
    the same as the lieutenant.//

    Is that like a Navy lieutenant or an Army lieutenant?
    There is a 2 or 3 grade difference.


    //From my studying, the Hebrew word there means satrap,
    but satrap is not used in the english language,
    at least not I have heard.//

    Apparently then one needs to study to show one's self
    approved unto God. I've heard of 'satrap' before, probably
    from reading about it in the nKJV (I wore out two nKJVs).
    It is in my 1982 English Language Dictionary.

    Isn't it strange how an errant dictionary can help one
    understand the inerrant Written Word of God, the Holy Bible,
    as found in the New King James Version (nKJV)?
     
  17. Ed Edwards

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    //I did not take the tiger off because it is pagan,
    I took it off because apparently it offends some. The tiger is not pagan.//

    Likewise, the publishers of the nKJV did not take the Triquestra
    off the nKJV because it is pagan; they took it off because
    apparently it offends some. The Triquestra is not pagan.
    Anyway, the Triquestra never was a part of the nKJV translation
    (which consists only of words, letters, and numbers - no pix)
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    Webdog: //I find this discussion coincidental. I am opening an LLC
    with the name Trinity Properties LLC, and I am going
    to have the triqueta as the logo shadowed behind the name.
    You know where I got the picture from? An old NKJV.//

    Congradulations on your new ministry - I pray God will
    prosper your new venture.

    Ransom: //And big, gaudy gold and silver crosses are
    standard "bling" for rappers and other degenerate
    thugs. What's your point? That the pagans and other
    idiots of the world get to steal our symbolism?
    Tough. We're stealing it back.//

    Amen, Brother Ransom - Preach it!
     
  19. Ed Edwards

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    Bro Tony: //The translators
    of the NKJV put the symbol on the front of the Bible
    to give us a visual picture of the Trinity,
    that three in one and it is seen in that symbol.
    That is what I see when I see the symbol,
    I do not see the occult.//


    That is what I see, the Blessed Trinity.
    BTW, the translators did not put the Triquesta
    on the cover page. The publisher put the
    Triquesta on the cover page of the nKJV.
    The Triquesta on the cover page has nothing
    to do with the nKJV translation. I find it almost
    an act of terrorism to dis the nKJV translation
    because of the Triquesta put on the cover page
    by the publisher. Recall uptopic (page 4) I told
    how the nKJV came to be and it took ten years for
    some Bible Basher to figure out the attack against
    a symbol on the Cover.

    People forget that the reprint KJV1611 Edition Bible
    I have has a wood cut printing of THE SUN GOD :-(
     
  20. Ed Edwards

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    //2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us:
    for we are not ignorant of his devices.//

    //How can someone who claims to be of Christ carry around
    or wear a symbol that is used of satan? //

    How can someone of Christ just give up to Satan and let
    Satan steal our symbol? I peaked in the back of the
    inerrant Written Word of God, the Holy Bible in the nKJV
    and found out: God wins in Christ & we win with Christ!!!
     
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