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Featured The unpopular (but deadly) truth of conditional salvation

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by evangelist-7, Oct 29, 2013.

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  1. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    No one can break God's seal. And God's word says sealed unto the day of redemption, not until I sin my way out of heaven. God says I am sealed by the Holy Spirit (God). Who can break that seal?

    So what? Does he trump the authority of God's word?



    I have been taught by charismatics in the past. That's why I know better now.
     
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    Even though you have been shown many times how you have fallen from grace, Gal5:4, you remain stubbornly unrepentant. Do you wish to remain in this state of fallen from grace??
     
    #22 steaver, Oct 30, 2013
  3. evangelist-7

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    The genius responded above to the following question:
    'Kay, genius ... why did God give humans free will?

    And the less-than-genius one says:

    Gee, must be more to it than that ...
    God gives free will to man, but he's NOT free to use it?
    He's NOT free to use it in the most important decision of his life?
    Yes, that's true ... man is NOT free to use his free will to choose salvation!
    (Actually, "prevenient grace" says he can choose to reject God's grace.)

    The more to it is ...
    After being born-again, the BAC can use his free will to co-operate
    (or not to co-operate) with God in his sanctification-unto-holiness process.
    And this is what conditional salvation is all about.

    To be (co-operative) or not to be! ... The BAC's salvation hangs in the balance!

    P.S. Those who don't like this are free to throw 70+ Scripture verses in the dumpster.
    Hey, how 'bout that coincidence! ... 70+ Scripture verses reveal that Jesus is God.
    Non-trinitarians and OSASers have thrown 140 Scripture verses in the dumpster!
    .
     
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  4. Yeshua1

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    thank GOD that he delivered me outof "Charasamtic chaos!"

    the Father holds me in His hands, and NONE call pull me out of there, the Son died to pay and atone for all my sins, and the Spirit marked me out and sealeed me for eternity!

    thank GOD we teach the bible, NOT your false version of It!
     
    #24 Yeshua1, Oct 30, 2013
  5. Yeshua1

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    problem with that though is that ONLY Adam/Eve and jesus ever had "real free will", and they both lost that for them and rest of us in the fall!
     
    #25 Yeshua1, Oct 30, 2013
  6. evangelist-7

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    What is your problem anyway? ... God can break that seal.
    Thou belongest in the same Kindergarden class as el Steavadore cigar and el Yesua!
    .
     
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  7. Yeshua1

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    God CANNOT break that seal, for IF he did that, would mean that Jesus death was not sufficient to save us per Will of God!
     
    #27 Yeshua1, Oct 30, 2013
  8. Thomas Helwys

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    This thread could be productive if you all would stop insulting each other and accusing each other, but I don't expect that to happen.
     
    #28 Thomas Helwys, Oct 30, 2013
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    If God breaks the seal it makes God a liar and breaker of promises.
     
    #29 steaver, Oct 30, 2013
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh::thumbsup:
     
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  11. evangelist-7

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    How is it possible for it to be productive when it is deluged by those with a strong historical bias?

    I came to Scripture with none such.

    I'm writing different spiritual Truths for those who can/will accepct them.

    I'm not here to argue, although some people may see truth in an argument.

    Meanwhile, where is your productivity?
    .
     
    #31 evangelist-7, Oct 30, 2013
  12. Yeshua1

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    have to remember that Jesus and His Apsotles were pretty adament teaching against false doctrines andfalse gospels coming into the church!
     
    #32 Yeshua1, Oct 30, 2013
  13. Yeshua1

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    We know that follow the word of God, that we have the real Gospel and real doctrines of the Faith, but you? Not so much, as you heed a false spirit "illuminating you!"
     
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  14. BobRyan

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    Did God "put conditions" on Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels, and Adam and Eve?

    This need not be a hypothetical.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  15. BobRyan

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    Which is why we see references to "fallen from Grace and severed from Christ" Gal 5:4

    And "you stand only by your faith ... you should fear for if He did not spare them neither will he spare you... but He is able to graft them in AGAIN if they do not continue in unbelief" Romans 11.

    And of course who can forget the "forgiveness revoked" teaching of Christ, in Matt 18 -

    Along with "Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit" is first pruned and then if it does not bring forth fruit - is taken away - dried up and dead and then cast into the fire. John 15.

    "Not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but rather He who DOES the will of My Father" Matt 7.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
    #35 BobRyan, Oct 30, 2013
  16. evangelist-7

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    If you are not living righteously, you are not part of God's elect

    “… whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.” (Acts 10:35)

    “… you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)

    “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

    Please, choose to be "(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

    “… so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:19)

    And, if you really do become ...
    "slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." (Romans 6:22)

    Are all BACs slaves of God, slaves of obedience, and slaves of righteousness?
    If so, then I am wrong about all of this.

    The Bottom Line is what few are willing to accept ...

    Man's salvation depends on a working relationship and co-operation
    between man and God (as it has always been throughout Scripture)!

    Cessationism and OSAS are Satan's greatest triumphs against man gaining salvation!
    They are both from the very pits of hell.
    .
     
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    I have to give you credit for being out right truthful and transparent with your beliefs. Very few who believes one can lose their salvation are willing to be so direct and honest about it. :thumbs:

    But remember, if you wish to hold to this doctrine of works plus grace, you have fallen from grace. (Galatians)
     
    #37 steaver, Oct 31, 2013
  18. evangelist-7

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    But remember, at the judgment ... I have mnogo dozens of verses as my witness!

    mnogo = Bulgarian for many
    .
     
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  19. Amy.G

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    At the judgment, I have Jesus as my advocate! :godisgood:

    :jesus: saves, not verses.
     
    #39 Amy.G, Oct 31, 2013
  20. evangelist-7

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    Well, great, I guess I won't bother askin' ...
    "How's your practicing of righteousness doin'?" [​IMG] Not too well, I'll guess!

    How's that song of yers go again? ...
    Safe in His arms, safe and so secure!
    No matter what I duz, safe and secure!

    Yup! ... Great song! [​IMG] Thanks for reminding me!
    .
     
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