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The word of God in english by Ryken

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by evangelist6589, Sep 24, 2014.

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  1. evangelist6589

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    I have had it for almost 10 years and have yet to read it. It still looks brand new. Can someone tell me what this book is about and if its worth a read?
     
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    If one has the book, can't they read the summary on the cover?
     
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    To cut to the chase, this book offers a reasoned rejection of dynamic equivalence translation philosophy.

    According to Ryken, here are some of what goes into the best translation versions:

    1) Accuracy
    2) Fidelity to the words of the original.
    3) Clarity
    4) Theological Orthodoxy - avoid theologically driven (agenda driven) translations that manipulate the text to support doctrine.
    5) Preservation of alternate possible interpretations.
    6) Preservation of the full exegetical potential of the original text.
    7) A good translation does not patronize readers. Translators should not see themselves as priests, doling out truth to the masses.
    8) Transparency to the original text.

    The book presents several other goals of translation, but the above gives you the basic idea.
     
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    Ryken's book is quite poor as I have demonstrated in my thread dealing with the subject.

    For books actually done by real scholars who translate try these :

    How To Choose a Translation For All Its Worth by Gordon D. Fee and Mark Strauss. In just 170 pages it gives good, practical, sensible information.

    For a much more extensive treatment try The Challenge Of Bible Translation. it is edited by Scorgie, Strauss and Voth. However, among its contributers are D.A. Cason, Dick France, Andreas Kostenberger, Doug Mooo and Moises Silva. Its 428 pages are excellent in every way.

    One Bible, Many Versions is by Dave Brunn. I can't give it enough praise. It informs a layperson very well. And a few scholars have recognized its value too.
     
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    To review Mr. Rippon's demonstration concerning Dr. Ryken, go here:
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=68953

    It seems it is ok to disparage scholars (i.e. as not real scholars) if they advocate against dynamic equivalence. A member of the translation committee for the ESV should not be misrepresented, putting words in his mouth he never uttered.
     
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    Ryken is not a Bible scholar. He is not a translator. He is quite insufficient for the task to which he assigned himself.
    You cite the thread in which I devoted my time and attention to for many posts. Yet you say that I have misrepresented him. That is your misrepresentation. You can't tell the truth for even a moment Van. I quoted many of Ryken's lines. You simply don't know when to remain silent --people might be able to think you could possibly be wise. But you have opened your mouth and proven how foolish you are. I have not put words in his mouth. You need to heed Exodus 20:16:

    YOU SHALL NOT GIVE FALSE TESTIMONY AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR.
     
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    Here is what Dr. Ryken said:
    The bolded section of this quote was ripped out and cited as one of five places where Rippon claimed Dr. Ryken view was:

    Note that the quote of Dr. Rippon says absolutely nothing about claiming the ESV "an almost exact reproduction of the original."

    Anyone who pays any attention to how Mr. Rippon presents the views of others is naive.

    Here is where Mr. Rippon cited the supposed support for his claim:
    He added to the claim of support in post #7 as follows:
     
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    Take your toys and leave your sandbox.

    Obey the commandment of Exodus 20:16 :

    YOU SHALL NOT GIVE FALSE TESTIMONY AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR
     
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    The second supporting citation, according to Mr. Rippon, was from page 145.

    Here is what Dr. Ryken actually said:
    And yet again, absolutely no support is found for claiming Dr. Ryken said or implied that the ESV "an almost exact reproduction of the original text."
    Anyone who pays any attention to how Mr. Rippon presents the views of others is naive.
     
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    [speaking evil/slander is not allowed :( ]
     
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    Shall we look at the third citation to see if we can find where Dr. Ryken said or implied the ESV "an almost exact reproduction of the original text?"

    So we have three in a row where the citation did not support the claim. Anyone who pays any attention to how Mr. Rippon presents the views of others is naive.
     
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    This is the fourth citation claimed to provide support for Dr. Ryken saying or implying that the ESV "an almost exact reproduction of the original."

    The last and final citation claimed to support that Dr. Ryken said or implied that the ESV "an almost exact reproduction of the original" is the following from page 218:
    Again, five out of five, there is no support for Mr. Rippon's assertion that Dr. Ryken seems to think the ESV "an almost exact reproduction of the original.

    Case closed.
     
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    And thread with petty personal invectives closed as well. :( :BangHead:
     
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