The World God so Loved !

HP: You almost sound to me like Pelagius arguing against Augustines view of grace.:smilewinkgrin:

 

There is no one in this world that God did not love; that God did not die for. God is not cruel; is not a monster that you portray him to be. He did not create anyone, even Esau for the purpose of going to hell.
He loved him with an everlasting love, as he loves all men.

God is not willing that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance.
To quote Scripture that is in the context of election out of that very context (just to prove your ideological point) is not doing justice to the Word of God. That is not sound hermeneutics.

First understand that the human mind can never comprehend an infinite God. God therefore uses illustrative language to help us understand him and his actions. He does not hate, but uses the word "hate" to help us understand. It is called an anthropormorphism--a human trait applied to an incomprehensible God. It is not that he hated Esau in the womb; he didn't. He would hate the actions and decisions that he would make for he knew ahead of time what they already were.

 

You can't produce a Scripture to the contrary but to quote out of context as above, which I have explained to you. I have given you plenty of Scripture, and yet you don't answer.

You no doubt can quote John 3:16.
That is good enough. He loved the whole world. Case closed.

 

Romans 9:13 is speaking of nations, not individuals.

 

God knew Esau would trade his inheritance for a bowl of soup. Esau is the first-born and he represents the Jews. Jacob is the second born and represents the Gentiles. The Jews gave up their inheritance when they rejected the Messiah.

 

John 3:16 For God so loved the world.....

Isn't it good that the Scripture stands fast against all the naysayers? :godisgood:....and so is His Word!

 

Isn't that a comparison statement in accordance with the cultural frame it was written in? Didn't God Bless Essau and give him his own territory? God just didn't choose him for salvation history purposes. Do you think God actually hated Essau and didn't love him at all? Of course not. So according to you God goes around hating people. You should preach that while evangelizing. "God only loves a few of you hear who will automatically choose God because he loves you. The rest of you are going to hell because God really doesn't love you he actually hates you and only puts up with you becuase you serve his purposes to help the special elect few people get a better idea of why they can't help themselves from choosing God"

 

So to be a truthful evangelist God blesses those he hates and he hates most of the world. So when you preach maybe it should sound like this:

"Most of you here tonight God hates. He wants and will send you into hell. The very few here tonight that God actually cares about will of with out my help will believe upon Jesus and go to heaven. I hope the one's God hate don't feel some sort of way about it. "

 

I know! I want you to really preach it! Because honestly you can't have everyone believing that God loves them and became incarnate for them. He hates most people! The narrow path and all that. In fact honest parents should tell their children at night that God may or may not care about them. And since God hates most people in the world the chances are that God hates them. However, there is a smaller percentage chance that God actually loves them if they are elect. I mean God ordains that most people he created in his image are created for the fire of hell and damnation. Thank God there are a few elect that God ordain would go to heaven. Therefore we should be more like God. We should hate more men than love them. We shouldn't feed the poor and hungry but only the elect.

Preach it!!!!!

 

It is obvious that Thinkingstuff took the time to consult wisdom before he started preaching. :thumbs:

 

It should seem evident to SBM that the rich young ruler of Mat.19 and Mark 10, who departed from Jesus sorrowful having chosen his riches over Christ, was not one of the elect. Therefore God hated him. Yet the text says:

And Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, "This do. Go, sell what thou hast, give to the poor, take up thy cross, and come and follow me."
Jesus loved the non-elect; those that refused Him.

He wept over the city of Jerusalem expressing his deep love for the people of that city, though they were not saved.