THERE IS A VICAR OF CHRIST

Ever salute the flag?

Ever hear someone say they love the flag?

Ever get upest when you see someone burn the flag?

The flag has no feeling either.

Hint: it's not respect for the flag but what is represented by the flag.

Ditto with statues and paintings.

 

Its your church teaching!!! Put it back into context and tell me where you find it in the Bible.</font>[/QUOTE]Does your church require you to wear shoes to Sunday service? But that's not in the Bible!

Would your church forbid eating a sandwich during the Sunday service? But that's not found in the Bible!

I could go on, but hopefully you get the point.

 

Frankly, I don't expect anyone to. Neither does the Roman Catholic Church. I grew up in the RCC (no longer a member) and haven't kissed a statue's feet. I like the way you throw in "bow down" as if you're insinuating some likd of worship of inanimate objects, which, as it's been stated, is against the teachings of the RCC.

This seems to be more than just a case of you not liking Catholics. It seems to be a case of your way or the highway when it comes to religious practices.

 

Its your church teaching!!! Put it back into context and tell me where you find it in the Bible.</font>[/QUOTE]Well, since I'm a Baptist and not a practicing Catholic, I can't say it's my church's teaching. But I consider such a statement a compliment.

You're using a straw man arguement. Therefore please find in the Bible where it says use of candles in worship is forbidden. Then, enforce it at this year's Christmas Candlelight service.

 

This candle argument is pointless. The Catholic Church has an organized set of rules for the Mass, so that no matter where you go in the world, the Mass will be the same. Yes, there will be subtle differences, but the formula for the Mass is the same. Catholics use their senses to aid in worship, and candles are merely one of the many things used.

Tell me where in the Bible that it states that a Church must have a Baptismal pool? Do you know of any Baptist churches in your particular denomination that are missing one? Wouldn't you say that it's an understood rule when building the church to have a baptismal pool?

You know, Jesus was baptized in the river. Aren't you going against the Bible to baptize in a building?

Seriously, this is so nitpicky it's almost funny.

 

Crosswal k.com - Verse Search Results - 'lampstand'

Candles are sacramentals, the sacramental brings external, symbolic actions or things which produce spiritual effects.

Jesus is 'The Light of the World'

[Edited to name link for easier page view - CK]

[ September 18, 2002, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]

 

I never said I didn't like catholics. You said that. Don't put words in my mouth. I think they are being lied to, and seeing a Baptist defend the
teachings, or trying to make people who stand on the Bible look bad, makes me think they might believe some lies also.

 

John3v36:

Coffee and donuts doesn’t sound like a New Testament service to me. In the New Testament they were breaking the bread and drinking the cup of blessing which they blessed. Jesus called His Father’s house a house of prayer. By the way, Jesus taught respect for His Father's house with a whip. Expressing reverence and various degree of solemnity is taught in Holy Scripture. Jesus told us to eat His body and drink His blood in remembrance of Him.

1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Don't you even treat your bible with a certain degree of solemnity and respect, why not your house of prayer where you worship?


God Bless

[ September 18, 2002, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: Kathryn S. ]

 

I never said I didn't like catholics.

You didn't have to. It's self evident.

 

Why don't you go thru some past pages of conversations with Brother Ed and myself before making accusations like this. I have spoken out against the RCC, way before I came to the Baptist Board, and will continue to do so. But I have never shown disrespect to a member of the church.

 

That's your opinion.

 

John3v36,
Your question regarding candles was, were is it in the Bible. Did you go the the web site I posted? If you didn't here it is. Nu 3:4, Nu 4:9, Le 24:4, Ex 25:31-35, Ex30:27, Ex 31:27, Ex31:8,Ex35:17-21, Ex39:37

or light A candle etc.

How can that please God and where is it in the Bible?

Saint John[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]

 

"Candles," blessed on the Feast of the Purification of the Blessed Virgin (see Butler's Lives of the Saints, Feb. 2, Feast of the Purification). The Church blesses whatever it uses. Some say beautifully that the wax of the candle gathered by the bees from sweet flowers reminds us of Our Lord's pure, human body, and that the flame reminds us of His divinity. Again, candles about the altar remind us of the angels, those bright spirits ever about God's throne; they remind us, too, of the persecution of the Christians in the first ages of the Church, when they had to hear Mass and receive the Sacraments in dark places, where lights were necessary that priests and people might see. Again, lights are a beautiful ornament for the altar, and in keeping with holy things. Lights are a sign of joy: hence the very old custom of lighting bonfires to express joy. So we have lights to express our joy at the celebration of the Holy Mass. Again, if we wish to honor any great person in the Church or State. we illuminate the city for his reception. So, too, we illuminate our altars and churches for the reception of Our Lord, that we may honor Him when He comes in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and is present at Benediction.

from
http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/baltimore/bsacrxx.htm</font>[/QUOTE]Did you notice how it says,

we illuminate our altars and churches for the reception of Our Lord, that we may honor Him when He comes in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and is present at Benediction.

BTW thanks for that web page, I
have added it to my favorites.
For sure pleasing to our Lord.

[ September 19, 2002, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]

 

That's your opinion.</font>[/QUOTE]You need to come up with examples. Till then, I will wait & see.

[ September 19, 2002, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: Bro. Curtis ]

 

Like I said, they're self evident in your posts. People can go back and read them for themselves. No need for me to reprint what's already here.

 

Ok..you got me curious now. Bro. Curtis is one of the few on the board who I feel deals in a respectable manner at all times. Had you chosen another to vent on, you might be able to make a case, but I don't feel Bro. Curtis was out of line in very many of his posts.

BTW. When you accuse someone of something, you must present the evidence...you can't just say "it's selfevident"...that is cheating...almost IRS like.

 

I go to Baptist Church but can tell all that Jesus said AC.1:5"For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence"Ac 11:16"Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost." So long as we need a quote.