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This is an embarrassment

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by chuck2336, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. chuck2336

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    I believe most families will refuse to allow their fallen loved ones to be used as propaganda by the leftists.
     
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    I don't see why anyone would have a problem with allowing the families to decide as the Obama administration will do.
     
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    Because they are afraid of people seeing the reality of the cost of the elective war in Iraq. I remember during Vietnam it was on TV every night.
     
  5. KenH

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    You mean there are conservatives who want to restrict the freedom of these families, MP????
     
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    I am not one of those conservatives, Ken. I believe the families should have a right to decide. I will probably differ from a lot of conservatives on here, but I believe America should see those flag draped coffins coming home. I also believe the pentagon policy started in the first Gulf War was wrongheaded and that that policy itself was part of propaganda - to keep Americans from seeing the price our young men and women are paying on a daily basis, to silence the critics of those wars and the policies that led to those wars, making it seem that our fallen is secretive, something to hide or be ashamed of. That is how that policy has come off to me. That is my opinion and I may be bashed for it, but I don't care, that is how I feel. And I am a conservative.
     
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    Not so. Not so at all.

    I remember too. And it was ugly and it appeared to be for propanda purposes, then, too.

    However, when I look at this photo:

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    I don't care that some radical leftists think that Bush was trying to "hide" something.

    I don't care that some of the right extremists think that Obama is up to his eyeballs in propaganda.

    I just care that this world is evil and that people die everyday. Some for nothing - and some for a cause greater than we can understand.

    And I care that the mother of the young person in this casket, when she beholds him or her coming home in a box, won't give a flying flip about Bush or Obama.

    I sang at the funeral of a young man who came home this way. Neither his family nor his church family was preoccupied with whether or not his casket made the front page or the evening news.
     
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    Not this one. Both parties are using our troops as nothing but a way to secure votes. I hope the rest of America gets as sick of it as I am.

    MP, the caskets of the Marines who were killed in Beruit were also allowed to be filmed. It was Bush 41 who ended the practice.
     
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    That has to be the dumbest statement ever! Do you really think there is even one person in this country that does not know the cost?
     
  10. chuck2336

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    How are the rights of families being restricted? By not letting the media use their pain and grief for monetary gain?

    Please say this is not the best answer you have to this!
     
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    So, chuck2336, are you saying you agree with the Obama administration and me that the families should be allowed to make this decision?
     
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    All Ken is saying is that the family will decide. Why do you find this so wrong?
     
  13. chuck2336

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    Not at all. I am saying give our heroes (service people and families are heroes) respect and peace.

    Don't they have enough to consider with out having to decide if they want their loved one plastered all over the media?

    Have you ever lost a loved one and had to make all the decisions and arraignments? I have, and there are a ton of questions and decisions to be made especially when you are bringing the loved one in from another country.

    I guess folks don't think the family is suffering enough so let’s plaster pics and video all over the place.

    Don’t kid yourself this decision was made for the media, not the families.
     
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    Actually, there is a practical reason for making this public.

    As Robert E. Lee said: "It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it."

    Yes, we all know the cost of war; but have we allowed it to fully slap us in the face? We hear about the bodies coming home; and we see the numbers; but do mere words, whether spoken or in print, measure the same?

    Just waxing somewhat philosophical. The decision must be left to the family.
     
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    1) Yes.

    2) In case you haven't read in the story - the families can say "No".
     
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    If the families are given the option then who should care. Truth is it is inconsistent to demand that women be forced to see the ultra sound of the child before an abortion can be given or to see the results of one and not allow the realities of war to be seen. And that inconsistency flows both ways.
     
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    This is not an abortion thread. Stay on topic.
     
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    You didnt read my post. You just saw the word abortion and reacted. Try reading it.
     
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    No! That is not all Ken is saying. If that were all there might be little to fume about.... as it then is just an individual matter of opinion....... But Ken isn't content with that as seen in this quote from his post
    Ken can't let this be a win-win discussion between people of differing opinions. Instead he makes it a referendum on whether or not one agrees with the Obama administration. It is the ultimate type of 'winner takes all' argument and poor debate skill showing the shallowness and stupidity of some thinking if A is part of B and B is part of C then A equals C........ false logic.
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    Regarding this policy: I feel neutral at present. I'm glad if it is left up to the families to decide..... and hope their wishes will be honored. But, I will be disappointed if the sacrifice of our soldiers and their demise and return to the homeland is ever exploited by the media or an official of the government into a carnival of voyueristic propoganda or political demonstrations which dance on their deaths and exploit the grief of the living, or serve to demoralize those who live to continue in service for their country.
     
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    Allowing the families to decide is the best approach in my estimation.

    I would think that perhaps some families would want to show the nation in an unfiltered way the true cost of the war.
     
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