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This shot and my view:

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Jun 3, 2021.

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  1. The govt should make you get the shot

  2. The government has the right to prevent you from any building if you dont get the shot

  3. The govt should give prizes for getting the shot

  4. The govt should require a business to have separate sections for those with the shot

  5. A business should be allowed to make their own rules

  6. A business should be required to have free masks available

  7. allow business charge more 4 not shots to attend a spectator activity as less seats can be sold

  8. None of the above

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  1. just-want-peace

    just-want-peace Well-Known Member
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    Am I misreading you??
    You appear to be saying that you have MORE trust in the gov't.
    Surely something was/is lost in the "translation"!?!?:Thumbsdown:Thumbsdown:Thumbsdown
     
  2. JonC

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    No. I trust the government in some things (have to or I'd have to find another line of work).

    What I mean is that with the evidence I have more faith in the vaccine.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification!!:D
     
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    More faith in the vaccine than…….?

    More faith in the vaccine rather than natural immunity gained from having the virus?

    More faith the vaccine will protect someone from the virus rather than protection from a mask?

    More faith the vaccine benefits far out way complications that have been reported?

    peace to you
     
  5. JonC

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    No. Faith in God (I believe God is a God of means).

    I understand there are people who refuse medical treatment for religious reasons. I am not one of those people.
     
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    Read my link.
    It is causing cases now in Africa. Read my other link.
     
  8. canadyjd

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    I never doubted your faith in God.

    In post #42, you stated you had “more faith in the vaccine”. I was seeking a little clarification.

    The word “more” indicates a comparison. More than ……. what?

    I have no religious objection to the vaccine or other medical treatment. I haven’t seen any real scientific evidence that people already exposed and recovered from this virus (like myself) have any benefit from the vaccine.

    Those already recovered, from what I’ve read, have immunity above 99%. The vaccines have about 95% immunity.

    If there is no benefit to me taking the vaccine, it seems reasonable, imo, that even a very small risk of complications from taking the vaccine would not be worth taking.

    peace to you
     
  9. JonC

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    More faith in the vaccine than in chances of having no complications from COVID should I get it.

    Chances are I would not be involved in a motorcycle accident, but I was. It was not bad, but looking at the helmet I was glad I wore one. I do not think it should be against the law not to wear a helmet (and it isn't where I live). I just had more faith in the safety measure of wearing a helmet than the odds I would not need it. And it worked in my favor.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying.

    peace to you
     
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    SIDE TRACK:
    I bought a new Olds diesel sedan in '84, & for the one & only time ever I bought an extended
    warranty with it.
    Had to be divine intervention, 'cause I had to have, IIRC, 5 fuel pumps replaced on this vehicle. Didn't cost me a dime.
    Now back to the original programming!!:Thumbsup
     
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    Yes. All of the above are supported with scientific evidence.
     
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    Countries gear up to kick all forms of polio out of Africa, once and for all – GPEI (polioeradication.org)

    Last year, on 25 August 2020, Africa made history with the African Region Certification Commission for Polio Eradication independently certifying that the Region was free of wild poliovirus. This is the second disease to be kicked out of Africa after smallpox more than 40 years ago.
    This achievement is remarkable, considering that in the 1990s wild poliovirus paralysed more than 75,000 African children every single year – a situation that prompted Nelson Mandela in 1996, joined by Rotary International and other partners, to issue a stark call to action: Kick Polio Out of Africa!

    All strains of wild poliovirus have now been interrupted in the continent. The last case of wild poliovirus was in August 2016.

    However, this tremendous progress remains an unfinished success story. Although Africa is free of wild poliovirus, countries continue to be affected by another form of the virus, known as circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 (cVDPV2). Such strains are rare, but can occur in under-immunized communities with limited access to safe water and sanitation.

    Now, intensified efforts are being launched to finish polio once and for all, to ensure no child in Africa will ever be paralysed by any strain of this virus.

    The novel OPV2 vaccine has been in development since 2011, and in November 2020, WHO’s Prequalification Team issued an emergency use listing (EUL) recommendation enabling initial roll-out in countries affected by cVDPV2 outbreaks. Soon after the issuance of the EUL, the WHO Regional Director for Africa, Dr Matshidiso Moeti, advocated to countries to use this additional tool to stop all forms of polio in Africa.

    As countries in the Region gear up to roll out this new tool for outbreak response, with WHO’s support they are developing supply, demand and deployment plans; ensuring expedited pathways for national regulatory approvals; enhancing surveillance and laboratory capacity; investing in meeting cold-chain capacity and vaccine management requirements; ensuring vaccine safety monitoring and follow-up mechanisms are in place; and developing communication plans and engaging communities to enhance understanding of the vaccine and risks posed by cVDPV2.

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    Rather than causing polio vaccines are being used to hopefully eradicate it in Africa.
     
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    The vaccines caused many cases of polio in Africa. Where you think the non "wild" cases came from?
     
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    Perhaps this is a good reason to explore mRNA vaccines. These use messenger RNA (which is fragile and quickly dissipates) and no live virus to elicit an autoimmune response.
     
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    Cool. I guess this is support for getting vaccinated. Not even mild symptoms but asymptomatic.


    While it is rare, vaccinated people can get COVID but with mild symptoms and a quicker recovery..


    New U.S. COVID-19 cases and deaths tick higher, while CDC’s ‘real world’ study shows Pfizer, Moderna vaccines reduce infection risk by 91%
     
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    Well, not really. The Cleveland Clinic just published a study that showed people who have had the virus get no additional immunity from taking the vaccine.

    I’ve had the virus. Since I would get no benefit from the vaccine, even a small chance of complications seems an unnecessary risk.

    peace to you
     
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    As a matter of law and precedent employers cannot make employment or application for employment contingent on consent to receive the Covid-19 "vaccine".
    Though they may be under the impression this is possible due to the SCOTUS ruling as pertained to the 1905 smallpox vaccine in, Jacobson v. Massachusetts.

    And that decision permitted states to make vaccines compulsory due to a designated public health emergency.

    However, in the case of the Covid-19 "vaccine", the Nuremberg Code insures this vaccine can't be made compulsory by emoyers or anyone else. This is because the Covid-19 "vaccine", which requires boosters over long periods of years, is designated experimental.
    Which is why receiving the "vaccine" is voluntary and free.

    Without charge exempts laboratories that make the "vaccine" from liability due to side effects, including death.

    The mRNA vaccine has been studied by laboratories world wide since the late '80's. However, it has never been permitted for release to the public till now.
     
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    You really don't want to compare the polio vaccine with that of this covid one - the history of the polio vaccine is actually scary:

    Polio vaccine - Wikipedia

    *some* posters may not read through that, so I'll pull:

    and Salk worked on the vaccine for over seven years, as opposed to the covid, which was rushed through. I think the covid one is safe for most people but no just because big smart government says so - look what this same bunch did with the food pyramid, which arguably has led to global obesity. Wouldn't give it to my kids even now.
     
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